Can Women Pastor ?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

it should only take a few minutes to tell if anyone is called or not reguardless of sex . i have been told by mnay men they were called of god after i heard them i seen they must have called thereself. a god called preacher has a message and an annoniting in their life from god to back it up ...MALE OR FEMALE . if they dont have to annoniting backing them up i wont give them my time to hear them ..MALE OR FEMALE . i figure if god chooses to use them and you can tell if he has i will listen and enjoy.he did use a jackass to speak ..

Sometimes, He still does.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by simplyme

..and only to his master who was beating him; the animal did NOT go
preach the WORD to anyone., I doubt he ever spoke again, if it did,
I haven't read it anywhere in the Bible, lol
g'night!

That animal's words became scripture.

[HeavenlyOne]

There are some people who need to find out what the definition of 'preaching' even is.

It's not:

a man stomping, sweating, snorting, and screaming while saying 'uh' at the end of every syllable, quoting and expounding on scripture while on a platform and behind a pulpit with more than 3 people in a building of at least 4 walls and called a church.

The definition is actually quite simple.

1. to be a herald, to officiate as a herald
a. to proclaim after the manner of a herald
b. always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
2. to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done
3. used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers

Number 2 was done by the women who told others about the resurrection of Jesus. Number 3 is something we should all be doing.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Preaching the Word to 1 or 100--doesn't matter, it's still preaching.

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Here we go again, *sigh*
.. the animal did NOT preach the gospel to anyone, PERIOD.
In fact I wonder why you'd call it preaching, to begin with? A simple statement of any topic, to another person, is now called preaching? LOL!
I guess I'm preaching now, then.

I can't imagine WHY people read that into that story.
An animal whom spoke only ONCE and for purposes NOT even GOD-related is now a preacher? Wow that doesn't say much for some of our annointed men preaching from any given JESUSname church, now does it? IF they can be replaced with a donkey?
Now, THAT is "twisted".

Moreover, what WOMAN would want to be compared to a donkey?
YET many women DO use that reference themselves! Go figure.

The point is simply that God continues to do whatever He wants, and we have a biblical record of Him using women for His plan, His purpose, and His glory.

Naturally.
EVERYONE knows that GOD is sovreign already, HE IS GOD after all;
and that saved women, as well as men & children, are to tell other lost folks, the good news of JESUS is plain common-sense., but I think the
topic here is about pastoring. I really don't want to get into that, its
settled; for ME, anyway.

Obviously "usurping authority" needs to interpreted differently, or you can't avoid that conflict

Obviously, so does "preaching"., and no matter how many definitions are given, it often IS intepreted to support whatever any particular person is trying to prove.
So what else is new?

oops I've been writing this but hadn't yet submitted NOW I read what H.O. said
about preachin, lol *similar minds at times*

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by simplyme

Obviously, so does "preaching"., and no matter how many definitions are given, it often IS intepreted to support whatever any particular person is trying to prove.
So what else is new?

That's why it's important to post actual definitions, not interpretations.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

That animal's words became scripture.

I was not disputing that., so you can take your "gotcha" back, already.

I will add that since the WORD is given for MANY reasons, one of which is for reproofing,
for instruction (and you know the rest) that is what the beast was doing to its master, lol It voiced its opinion.
Who knows, it may even be part of GOD's WORD to remind some real-live 'beasts' whom beat innocents that
THERE WILL BE A DAY, of reckoning OR that a voice will always speak out for those victims, OR..........?
I doubt it that the animals story was put there to TEACH others to
do the same., or for some brute to use it to justify beating, say..a rebellious wife?
OR for a woman to say she's as good as an animal...etc.etc.,
obvioiusly some women MAY need to read it, to make sure.
MANY lessons are often drawn out of any, and probably ALL of scripture.

A little common-sense can go a long ways.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

That's why it's important to post actual definitions, not interpretations.

That never stops people, you should know that.
I wrote all that BEFORE I'd seen you post definition(s)
oh well.
Gotta go get SOMETHING useful done now., the day
is quickly fading.

[Godsdrummer]

[QUOTE=MissBrattified;807100]I'm for biblical order, but God has used and will continue to use women for His work, and that is just a fact. To state that women are excluded from the ministry is obviously an extra-biblical interpretation.

I only cut the text for room sake. What I want to say is
Wonderful great response!!!!

[Godsdrummer]

Ok you want this you are going to get it. Lets start with the fact that if scripture seems to contradict its self then you have the wrong interpretation. There is a reason Paul says to rightly divide the word. Just because you think it means one thing does not make it so!!! So you realy think I would dismiss God's Breathed Scripture lightly? God forbid, but I have learned that we MUST put scripture into the era of time it was written to have the true meaning. You think Im silly, Bro I don't know how old you are but I have been in this my whole life, I have seen more people come and go than you can beleive. I have been in all types of UPCI Churches from the very liberal to the very conservitive. I say all of this so you understand I know where you are comming from, I have studied both ideas.

Now let me take these one at a time. First the word Preacher (pastor, elder, decon, bishop, etc) I am not going to go into all the Greek words you can check that out for yourself. If one will truely search scripture without the influince of man made doctrines you will see Gods word in its true light.
First nowhere in scripture do we find any one man given the authority that man has given the office of pastor. Hebrews 13:17 does not give the authority that man has given the office of pastor. The word "obey" is a differant Greek word than "children obey their Parents". In Hebrews the word "obey" means "to be persuaded", also them is plural "them that have the leadership" God never intended for one man to rule the church.

I Corinthians 12, and Ephesians 4 both confirm this. When we understand this we find that any leadership position in the church would never put a women in a position where she has authority over a man because we are all equals in the eyes of God.

So what was Paul speaking about in I Timothy 2? First he is speaking about how we are to present ourself to the world. This is not in the church setting, this is in home setting. Where the world will see us in true life. verse 11 does not mean a women cannot speak only that she learn with a open frame of mind with a spirit of subordination to (her own husband). verse 12 But I suffer not .... a women to teach. NEVER? read Titus 2:1-5 One other thing Paul said "I suffer not" this was his teaching . What God puts into effect who can argue? If a women cannot teach or preach this is a direct contradiction to Acts 2:17-18, where women shall prophesy, (prophecy is to speak out a measage from God.) (prophecy is to speak unto men to edifcation, exhortation, and comfort. I Cor.14:3)

I Corinthians 14:34-35, we have already determined in preceding verses that a women can be used of God in the church setting. So what is Paul speaking of here in verse 34 & 35? First he is speaking concerning things being done in order during the move of God. Although we can understand better by what Paul is refering to by understanding verse 33. God is not the author of confusion. But of peace in the church. So if there is a subject of contention. Then the women are to hold their peace for they are to be subject to their husband. Therefore let the men handle the contention in the church and let the women confer with their husband in the home, as to keep the confusion at bay in the church.

This does not keep a women from holding the office of pastor. For if the proper biblical leadership is in place in the church then a women can be a pastor/teacher in the church. You see the position of pastor as we know it is not the biblical structure of leadership in the church. It is to be composed of the full ministry. The local church is to be composed of (elders, bishops, decons) plural, their job is to exhort and convince the gainsayers. I Titus 1:7.

I put this together to give you a differant look. I know this will most likely not change the way you see things at this time. But if I am right God will in time reveal to you his true understanding for truth will prevail.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by simplyme

That never stops people, you should know that.
I wrote all that BEFORE I'd seen you post definition(s)
oh well.
Gotta go get SOMETHING useful done now., the day
is quickly fading.

You're right, it doesn't stop people. They want to throw out the definitions and keep posting their interpretations!! LOL!