surely there were men looking for redemption...if it would have been only women I think the Bible would have said she spoke to the women...doesn't sound like to me she was off in a corner knitting...
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
neither were Paul's helpers making cups of tea they were doing whatever the rest of them were doing...
Sister, you know they invented peanut brittle, don't you? LOL!
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Really to me a missionary this seems so foolish...billions of lost people everywhere...I don't feel called to be a pastor...however I am not going to say anything about anyone that does...
I KNOW we need a lot of men working the fields for they have much more strength than women however don't begrudge those some woman can reach...
Everyone working full speed ahead the church is still losing ground...
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Really to me a missionary this seems so foolish...billions of lost people everywhere...I don't feel called to be a pastor...however I am not going to say anything about anyone that does...
I KNOW we need a lot of men working the fields for they have much more strength than women however don't begrudge those some woman can reach...
Everyone working full speed ahead the church is still losing ground...
Sister Alvear
To me we seem to get too caught up with symatics of who does what, where, and when. This is sin and that is sin. Seems this is what Jesus reprimanded the Pharisee for time and time again. Can women Pastor? First where do we get from scripture that the Pastor is the ruler of the church? I address this to you, as a statement because I agree with you. I have known many women used of God to minister and even pastor. Some with or without license. To me this whole discusion is a moot point because Jesus never set up the church to be run by one person, whether a man or women. In my recent studys I have found and come to understand God never intended one man to rule or lead his people. This came because the people rebeled against God and did not want God to speak directly with them. Check out the story of Moses at Mt Sinia or Samual when the people wanted a king.
God did not give the church to pastors, God put pastors-teachers, apostles, prophets, and evangelist to equip the church for the work of the ministry.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
We read this verse and the verse in I Corinthians wrong. God did not set some as... to be the ministry. We the saints are the ministry! Note in I Cor.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Paul does not seperate what we call the ministry from the rest of the gifts of the spirit. They all come from God and God can use both men and women.
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Thank you...It bothers me sometimes that some people think they know so much forgetting the other commandments of the Lord...I often see so little balance...
Yes, it is GOD"S church not man's church...and until we believers get that through our heads the fight goes on...ha...
Most churches go through a form whether they say they do or not and follow tradition instead of the SPIRIT...and I do not me we cannot be prepared but NOT so prepared that God cannot change the order of the way we do things.
I personally am not a pastor...however many times some group needed my help and a lot of times we just sat in the presence of the Lord and wept....When mere men gets the idea that he is GOD'S gift to mankind...watch out...
and in no way I mean any disrespect...I have a wonderful pastor and I just told my husband last night I am spoiled by growing up under the wings of such a man...I have never seen him be brutal, unkind, domineering ...his kindness caused me and many others to want to be a leader like him...I am sure I will never obtain that goal but Brother Bryan Taylor is a man of principle and great wisdom...
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I see your still having trouble responding to I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14, etc. ad nauseum. "Succourer" simply defines in Strong's as a "patroness" [one who protects, as Rahab did]...not a "preacher." Where do you get this definition from the actual text? And what translation adopts such a rendering?????? Is every one who "protects" someone now a "Preacher"??????? Silly. Have you ever heard of "Intellectual Dishonesy"?
Was Jesus, Peter, etc. "Preachers"? Of course they were...still waiting on the woman preacher verse:________________? Mt. 28:19? Of course we're all to tell the truth to a sin-sick world. Do you understand the difference between a witnessing setting & a church setting? Did you not read Paul's reason for writing to Timothy that I posted above? Deal w/ it then, instead ignoring it [as if I'm gonna' continually play defense all the time...not hardly].
Anna: Where does the Scriptures say that she expounded from Scripture in church-setting [which did not even exist then]? You are supplying that interpretation...not the literal text! In sum, you bring your pre-suppositions to the text, & read your assumptions into it. Problem is, it's NEVER stated by the text itself!
I agree that Bro. Alvear is a very good man, & I loooooove his spirit & faith! But I would not classify this issue as trivial, since Paul did not [strange that most don't do that w/ the hair issue, hmmmm]. "If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unot you ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD." Still waiting on someone to deal w/ I Tim. 2, etc. instead of just ignoring it...probably can't respond much after today for a while..............
I see your still having trouble responding to I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14, etc. ad nauseum. "Succourer" simply defines in Strong's as a "patroness" [one who protects, as Rahab did]...not a "preacher." Where do you get this definition from the actual text? And what translation adopts such a rendering?????? Is every one who "protects" someone now a "Preacher"??????? Silly. Have you ever heard of "Intellectual Dishonesy"?
Was Jesus, Peter, etc. "Preachers"? Of course they were...still waiting on the woman preacher verse:________________? Mt. 28:19? Of course we're all to tell the truth to a sin-sick world. Do you understand the difference between a witnessing setting & a church setting? Did you not read Paul's reason for writing to Timothy that I posted above? Deal w/ it then, instead ignoring it [as if I'm gonna' continually play defense all the time...not hardly].
Anna: Where does the Scriptures say that she expounded from Scripture in church-setting [which did not even exist then]? You are supplying that interpretation...not the literal text! In sum, you bring your pre-suppositions to the text, & read your assumptions into it. Problem is, it's NEVER stated by the text itself!
I agree that Bro. Alvear is a very good man, & I loooooove his spirit & faith! But I would not classify this issue as trivial, since Paul did not [strange that most don't do that w/ the hair issue, hmmmm]. "If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unot you ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD." Still waiting on someone to deal w/ I Tim. 2, etc. instead of just ignoring it...probably can't respond much after today for a while..............
There is no response needed because you have the whole thing wrong. All this referance to preachers and pastors in line with a women not being able to fulfill this office. This is not a office, the leadership of the church is made up of many differant things not just a pastor. for that matter where do you get the office of a preacher, I cant help it that our whole church structure is not biblical but there you have it. This whole argument is over something that has no relivance in the kingdom of God. Pauls teaching about women in the church had to do with the customs of that day not with a law of God.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Lets get on to the things that will further the kingdom of God not bring division to the work of God.
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
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