The Failing Examples of Pastoral Leadership

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Rhoni I could not have said it better thats why I don't tithe and ask nothing of the church as far as money and I don't care what they do with the money cause ain't none of it mine that they are spending..

[Rhoni]

Balance people - balance. I think all Pastors should have at least a part time job or even volunteer as a Chaplain so they understand time and money constraints so they don't overburden their saints, and vica versa!

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I also think we should pay tithes on our increase...which means net and not gross to me Now that is a subject to discuss

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Balance people - balance. I think all Pastors should have at least a part time job or even volunteer as a Chaplain so they understand time and money constraints so they don't overburden their saints, and vica versa!

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I also think we should pay tithes on our increase...which means net and not gross to me Now that is a subject to discuss

Rhoni, see I would go opposite. The principal of the tithe was to give God your "firstfruits." Gross is the firstfruits. I'm not sure tithing is a command for NT Christians, but the principle of giving to God "gladly and cheerfully" with our (here's the principle God was stressing) firstfruits, is important.

If your thing is just for Pastor's to understand time constraints, point taken. That doesn't mean they have to go apply at Denny's to understand time constraints. Most pastors I know have busy lives themselves. They can certainly become aware of time by being coached than by putting in an application. A part-time job may not be bad for a preacher though, only on the grounds of mingling with the community. Coffee shops help with this though.

I preferred my pastor not to work -- devoting his time to meeting with saints, taking emergency calls, preparing messages, praying, reading and tending to matters of the church, which is truly a full-time job. The pulpit on Sunday is just the tip of the iceberg.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Rhoni I could not have said it better thats why I don't tithe and ask nothing of the church as far as money and I don't care what they do with the money cause ain't none of it mine that they are spending..

Do you give at all to your church? If not, doesn't it bother you to enjoy the air conditioning, running water, etc... and not chip in?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Rhoni, see I would go opposite. The principal of the tithe was to give God your "firstfruits." Gross is the firstfruits. I'm not sure tithing is a command for NT Christians, but the principle of giving to God "gladly and cheerfully" with our (here's the principle God was stressing) firstfruits, is important.

Just a general question. How can one "give gladly and cheerfully" if they are commanded to give a %?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Just a general question. How can one "give gladly and cheerfully" if they are commanded to give a %?

You must not have read the entirety of that post. Read it closely.

But I also think we can serve God gladly and cheerful and offer Him worship, even if He commands it.

[RandyWayne]

I see were YOU said your not sure tithing is a command for the NT Christian, but I was asking the question in general for those who DO say such.
I could have been more clear in making a more open ended statement/question rather then responding to what you wrote specifically.