Is baptism essential unto salvation? - Page 42

Falla39 · #**411** 06-15-2009, 07:14 PM

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Rom. 10:12-17

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

HopePreacher · #**412** 06-15-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Rom. 10:12-17

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Can't add much to that it's pure word... thanks sis.

clgustaveson · #**413** 06-15-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When you view the scriptures as a whole, the picture is painted clearly that a Christian is to be baptized. Baptism is commanded in the Bible.

Thanks for making this clear....

clgustaveson · #**414** 06-15-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

The teacher of the adult class yesterday, said, "The water washed away the past, the Spirit will take care of our future".

John, the Baptist, preached the message of repentance. BUT he expained
that there was one coming afterwards who would baptize them with the
Spirit. (Holy Ghost and fire.) It would seem that those who believe they are
saved at repentance are still following John the Baptist. (no offense intended)

Before a mother gives birth, she usually goes through a cleansing preparation to prepare for the birth. Looks like Repentance and baptism would do the same, before the new birth.

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:47

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38

Falla39

You can argue analogies all day, but through this entire thread there has only been one decent response...

You can make analogies all you want but they don't mean anything... Just because a soon to be mother has to clean before she gives birth doesn't mean anything when it comes to baptism. I hear too many preachers give cute little analogies like that, yeah they sound cool and they help get a point across but without an actual scripture that states the thesis of the parable it means nothing... a parable alone doesn't mean baptism is essential to salvation....

Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that all I am asking for is one scripture somewhere in the Bible that says our salvation hinges upon baptism.. just because we should doesn't mean our salvation is contingent upon it... That is the only question I am asking here...

Just because we are commissioned to baptize does that mean our salvation is contingent upon baptism?

Maybe it is maybe it isn't... but I can tell you one thing... I am sick of people with their judgmental attitudes acting like this one thing, one thing that divides churches across the world, is one thing that will send people to hell. I could imagine if everyone that was baptized acted like they were saved but I step foot into too many churches where people stick their noses up and act like because they were baptized (in a name that I believe so thoroughly in) they are better than everyone else...

Are you better than everyone else because you went and did something you were commissioned to?

Faith is the evidence of things not seen, baptism is hardly an expression of faith, it's more of an expression of intent... When someone new comes to your church do you act like they need to be drug to alter so that they too can cross over and hopefully you can mess their hair up so much with your "prayer" that they decide they might as well get wet?

God bless you...

I love Jesus and I believe baptism is just as much a part of salvation as living a clean lifestyle but I am too torn watching strong believers condemn their neighbors for not having the same belief and possibly inwardly committing blaspheme over a subject that is about as clear as a brick wall...

If you think you are justified in feeling that all who are not baptized are not saved then that is between you and God, but I know for certain that there is too much at stake in the game and I am not going to assume the damnation of one person over any one thing while church feels the need to segregate themselves from the world...

It is the mentality that says "you have to do this before you can be like me" that causes the world to feel the cold shoulder of love and I personally have started to grow weary watching some of the best of believers fall victim to a mentality of disapproval...

There aren't enough chlorinated bathtubs in this country to convince me that we are doing the right thing...

Yes, I believe baptism is an integral part of accepting Jesus, am I fully convinced it is a key component of salvation? Not at all but am I willing to risk it? not at all

Falla39 · #**415** 06-15-2009, 08:07 PM

Brother, is not repentance cleaning up before we are born again! The priests had to be
clean before they went into the Holy of Holies for the people.

Psalms 24:
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

Falla39

clgustaveson · #**416** 06-15-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Brother, is not repentance cleaning up before we are born again! The priests had to be
clean before they went into the Holy of Holies for the people.

Psalms 24:
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

Falla39

What does this have anything to do with this thread or any question asked here?

Falla39 · #**417** 06-15-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by clgustaveson

What does this have anything to do with this thread or any question asked here?

Oh, excuse me! This is YOUR thread and I'll leave you with it!

Blessings,

Falla39

clgustaveson · #**418** 06-15-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Oh, excuse me! This is YOUR thread and I'll leave you with it!

Blessings,

Falla39

I am just asking you to make your point more clear... nothing you have said really makes any sense regarding the topic... unless you make it clear I am quite lost.

Hoovie · #**419** 06-15-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Brother, is not repentance cleaning up before we are born again! The priests had to be
clean before they went into the Holy of Holies for the people.

Psalms 24:
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?

4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

Falla39

I would say no, rather, one who is born again wants to be baptized.

Hoovie · #**420** 06-15-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clgustaveson

If you think you are justified in feeling that all who are not baptized are not saved then that is between you and God, but I know for certain that there is too much at stake in the game and I am not going to assume the damnation of one person over any one thing while church feels the need to segregate themselves from the world...

It is the mentality that says "you have to do this before you can be like me" that causes the world to feel the cold shoulder of love and I personally have started to grow weary watching some of the best of believers fall victim to a mentality of disapproval...

clgustaveson, Practically speaking why is this important to you? I don't know many Christians personally that reject baptism, do you?