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Old 03-28-2009, 03:29 PM
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Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

Judgment is not a popular discussion. To most an automatic turn off. But have you considered that most of the miracles in the Tanakh and many in the New Covenant scriptures are miracles of judgment?

How about the plagues on Egypt? The drowning of Pharohs army in the Red Sea? Not to mention the various times during the Exodus that YAH visited the chilldren of Israel with punishments for their sins?

Then we get to the books of Kings and Chronicles which are counterparts with the book of Acts in The New Covenant we see it again. Great acts of judgment coming upon the enemies of God.

Then in the New Testament we notice no acts of judgment coming from Yeshua. Yet we do see Herod cut down for accepting the praise that should have been God's. Paul called blindness upon the false prophet Bar Jesus.

Then when we arrive at the book of Revelation its chock full of teaching how Yeshua brings plagues and wrath upon the lost.

To me it seems like this kind of teaching is very effective and a good motivation for souls to turn to Christ and be saved.

Should we preach the whole counsel of YAH?

16: The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Is it not reasonable to believe God uses judgment still today when he choses?
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Old 03-28-2009, 03:58 PM
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Judgment is not a popular discussion. To most an automatic turn off. But have you considered that most of the miracles in the Tanakh and many in the New Covenant scriptures are miracles of judgment?

How about the plagues on Egypt? The drowning of Pharohs army in the Red Sea? Not to mention the various times during the Exodus that YAH visited the chilldren of Israel with punishments for their sins?

Then we get to the books of Kings and Chronicles which are counterparts with the book of Acts in The New Covenant we see it again. Great acts of judgment coming upon the enemies of God.

Then in the New Testament we notice no acts of judgment coming from Yeshua. Yet we do see Herod cut down for accepting the praise that should have been God's. Paul called blindness upon the false prophet Bar Jesus.

Then when we arrive at the book of Revelation its chock full of teaching how Yeshua brings plagues and wrath upon the lost.

To me it seems like this kind of teaching is very effective and a good motivation for souls to turn to Christ and be saved.

Should we preach the whole counsel of YAH?

16: The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Is it not reasonable to believe God uses judgment still today when he choses?
Awesome study, that will preach!

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:14 PM
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Re: Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

There can be miracles of healing and miracles of judgment. Many times miracles of judgment upon someone or a group of people meant deliverance for someone else or another group of people.
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:43 PM
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Re: Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

Many in the Churches no longer fear God. They think if they sin there will be no punishment. Altho it seems to be true one must not make the mistake of taking that for granted. Has God said in his word he will punish those who sin in this life because of their actions or not?

14: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev. 2: 14-16

Yeshua threatens these false teachers with the sword of his mouth.

20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Rev. 2:20-23

If these did not repent he would cast them into tribulation. He will kill their children.

5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 1 Cor. 10:5-8

These are said to be examples to the New Testament Church. Lusting after evil things 23000 fell in one day.

9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10: Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1 Cor. 10:9-11

Paul says plainly these judgments are written for US to take heed who live at the end of the world.

Yeshua again warning his people.

19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev. 3:19

The conclusion?

Yeshua leaves himself the right to chasten his people according to his will. It could be mild or it could be severe.

The teaching of today has banned the Lord from judging his people. They say he would not do so but would wait till he comes to settle sins commited. Some assume he automatically forgives sin and go on their merry way.

Oh friends its time to start believing (having faith in) the words of the Lord. Its time we took Yeshua Messiah seriously.

With the restored message of the fear of God will return the message of ceasing from and overcoming sin on a consistent basis. Saints will yearn for the perfection and holiness of Yeshua.

Many of the light messages now being preached will be discarded and Ministry will begin to fulfill its purpose to present every man perfect in Christ.

Miracles of judgment are still real today. They punish men and point them to repentance. They bring the good and healthy fear of the Lord back to the lives of those who take sin lightly. They glorify the God of Heaven when he becomes small in the eyes of men.

Love God. Fear God. You will have his favor.
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Re: Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

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Awesome study, that will preach!

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Have you considered...

In verse 22: YOU are to have the compassion... NOT the one being "saved." The one being "saved" is the object of your compassion.

And so,

In verse 23: YOU are the one who "fears"... NOT the one being "saved." YOU are "pulling," YOU are "hating" (the garments). YOU are the subject of the sentence and the verbs and adjectives all point to YOU, and NOT the one who is being "saved."
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Have you considered...

In verse 22: YOU are to have the compassion... NOT the one being "saved." The one being "saved" is the object of your compassion.

And so,

In verse 23: YOU are the one who "fears"... NOT the one being "saved." YOU are "pulling," YOU are "hating" (the garments). YOU are the subject of the sentence and the verbs and adjectives all point to YOU, and NOT the one who is being "saved."
You are responding to TJJJ I will say this. We should desire repentance and not judgment. If we are abiding in Christ our hearts will be soft with his compassion.

Yeshua is the epitome of compassion. Yet we need to understand he reserves the right to judge the sins one might commit RIGHT NOW. Since believers quit believing this there has been a great negative reaction to the truth of holiness and perfection.
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Re: Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

My point was, that in the verse TJJJ referenced - the case is often made that we should intentionally induce others with fear, and Jude 1:22-23 is used to justify this.

Yet a more deliberate reading of the passage shows that it is the believer who "fears" "hating even the garment stained by the flesh..." and not the one who is being pulled from the fires.

Jud 1:22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
Jud 1:23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
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Re: Have You Considered Miracles Of Judgment?

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Ro. 11:22

We need to understand both sides of God.

Too much goodness and grace without an element of judgement can produce sloppy living and sin. But to much judgement and the anger of God produces fear, legalism, and an ever increasing "standard" to which no one can measure up.
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