Do Your Kids Dress Like Bankers?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by pelathais

So, you have judged Alex as being judgmental? How can you reach such a judgmental conclusion yourself without having first judged Alex?

I responded to what he actually said he believes. I didn't just go by the hat he's wearing and the color socks he has on. If someone informs you of a belief, then you no longer have to draw your own conclusions. You now have the facts that can be addressed.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Guess that rules out the bums that try to come to church guess they have no chance...

What rules out the bums? Did someone rule out bums? I grew up in a church where we ministered to bums, drug/alcohol addicts and transients ALL the time--it was my Dad's main burden. And he always dressed up for church. It was never a barrier. Kindness and compassion don't need to be clothed in any particular way.

[KWSS1976]

No Missbrattified just read the post wrong eairlier I corrected myself when I reread it

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

MissB,

As for "Judge not" when we understand that in light on all the Scriptures, we see that we are not to be a people without judgement. We are told to "Judge rightgeous judgement", and the "Judging" JESUS was speaking against was the hypocritical judging of the Pharisees. Paul judged in 1 Cor 5, and there was tons of other judgements that had to be made by the people of GOD.

I'm afraid you're mixing your metaphors, AND you left out an important component of the scripture:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

One could even conclude from the phrasing of this verse that judging according to appearance is unrighteous judgment.

This is the kind of judgment we are to reject:

Deuteronomy 16:19 Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

We can judge when we have FACTS in our hands, such as a person declaring for themselves what they think or believe; we can look at a person who steals and judge they are a thief, but even then we should be careful, and only mete out judgment we are willing to have brought back upon our own heads at some point.

We can judge a matter, and decide what is right and wrong based on godly principles. But only God has the right to judge what is in a man's heart. When you ascribe motives and character issues based on appearance alone, you are on very shaky ground.

As for "plain clothing=holiness", I will say that I still have some of that bias, and for that reason I will not continue to post on this thread, because I have to work this out. However, there has to be some point wear someone's clothing is so extravagant that I believe the church needs to speak up and gently knudge them in the right direction.

-Bro. Alex

Nudge them in the direction of good taste--sure. If they have a prideful or haughty attitude, then someone who loves them should try to bring them to conviction. If they just like extravagant clothing, but are sweet as apple pie, perhaps it should be left between them and God. I've known some plainly clothed "holiness" people who were as stuck up, haughty and downright mean as the devil himself--and I did NOT ascertain that from their appearance, but from actually getting to know them on a personal level. They weren't mean because they were plainly dressed, but they certainly weren't holy because they were plainly dressed. Nor could they have in any way attracted a sinner to Christ.

One of my best friends is a Sanguine (even more than I am), she is bubbly, fun, hugs everyone, even perfect strangers at the grocery store, has a penchant for sprinkling flower petals and confetti on tables whenever she can find an occasion for it, she dresses in bright, happy colors even in wintertime, and her overall personality is bright, happy and friendly. She certainly attracts attention--but it's the good kind. My point is that her clothes are irrelevant. It's the attitude that makes anyone in her vicinity start smiling in spite of themselves. Not for one MOMENT would I ever tell her that she needs to not attract so much attention to herself, or that she shouldn't wear such bright clothing, so as to be more modest or "holy." In my opinion, she is one of the best Christians I know, because she exhibits kindness to people on a regular basis.

It's what people say and DO that indicates good (or bad) character--whether or not they exhibit the fruits of the spirit--or not. Their clothing has little or nothing to do with it, and in fact, if we go by clothing only, we may often miss out on getting to know some really fantastic people along the way.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

No Missbrattified just read the post wrong eairlier I corrected myself when I reread it

Yes, I saw that!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

I will give a view from someone not in the UPC. When we have run into "fancy" UPC people they seem like they trying to out dress each other and look down on those that don't dress like them. That isn't even on Sunday!

Doesn't the Bible teach that a woman's beauty should come from inside, not dress? I do not see a biblical example that people decked out to gather together. If the people that dress to please the eye would see the pride in it, they may get embarrassed and start dressing humbly.

I think we should dress respectfully in public. I do not think we should draw attention to ourselves with our dress and fancy hair. There was nothing attractive about Jesus and we should be like Jesus.

What about when you run into the "fancy" Baptist that do the same, or Methodist? It's okay for them right?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

I wear boots to when I preach on Sunday nights or mid-week service, I wear Alligator Boots or my Elephant boots.

We have doctors, bankers, cops, ranchers, etc. wear cowboy boots here.

[*AQuietPlace*]

This is getting off of the subject of dress clothes vs. casual clothes.... but I do not believe that the Bible teaches that plainness of dress is required. People have taken a couple of verses out of context and based entire philosophies on them.

Why is drabness more godly? Why do you have to be drab so that you don't draw attention to yourself? Sometimes you can draw attention to yourself because of your drabness.

And why should we strive to blend into the background? Why is that more godly? As long as we're not full of pride, or drawing attention to ourselves in an ungodly manner, then being attractive is not ungodly. God obviously loves beauty, why shouldn't we? We're made in his image. Look around you at the beautiful flowers, animals, birds, landscapes... God glories in beautiful things.

I believe the whole 'plainness' philosophy takes scripture out of context.

Didn't Jesus have a nice robe?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

This is getting off of the subject of dress clothes vs. casual clothes.... but I do not believe that the Bible teaches that plainness of dress is required. People have taken a couple of verses out of context and based entire philosophies on them.

Why is drabness more godly? Why do you have to be drab so that you don't draw attention to yourself? Sometimes you can draw attention to yourself because of your drabness.

And why should we strive to blend into the background? Why is that more godly? As long as we're not full of pride, or drawing attention to ourselves in an ungodly manner, then being attractive is not ungodly. God obviously loves beauty, why shouldn't we? We're made in his image. Look around you at the beautiful flowers, animals, birds, landscapes... God glories in beautiful things.

I believe the whole 'plainness' philosophy takes scripture out of context.

Didn't Jesus have a nice robe?

Good thoughts!

We are told to let our light so shine that others may see our good works
and glorify our Father which is in heaven. Where does our light shine?
Who is being glorified anyway! The glory of God shone in Moses' face.
The glory of God was manifested in the face of the Son. If Christ is in us,
and is our hope of glory, the light shining in our hearts, give knowledge of
the Glory of God should be seen in our faces.

Blessings,

Falla39

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I responded to what he actually said he believes. I didn't just go by the hat he's wearing and the color socks he has on. If someone informs you of a belief, then you no longer have to draw your own conclusions. You now have the facts that can be addressed.

So then you have judged yourself "innocent" of having judged your brother Alex?

You just don't stop with the judging, do you?