Don't you miss the days of Pres. BC?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

IMO, the words used in those scriptures depict a yoking or a connection that is much more intimate or communal than a friendship.

Words like "yoke", "communion", "concord", and 'believeth with" is describing a more indepth, intimate spiritual type of relationship than a friendship. That part is clear when just reading the scripture or looking at word studies and commentaries.

Miss Brattfield is exactly right. She's making the point that there is a big difference in "believing with an infidel" and simply making yourself available through friendship to a sinner.

I understand, and if we are living the life friends around us will know and respect it. Getting buddy buddy with an adulterer is another story, IMO.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Aquila

President Clinton repented also. And, this thread is a very good example of how he's reaping the effects of his sin. It's destroyed his reputation and the memory of any good he accomplished.

Of course... at least he isn't responsible for the deaths of over 80,000 Iraqis (including women and children) as a result of an unnecessary invasion of choice based on fraudulent intelligence.

Clinton had extra-marital sex. Bush killed thousands in a very questionable war. Think about it.

Bush didn't kill thousands. I know you really don't like Bush. And I wonder if you are this passionate about unnecessary deaths as the 348,000 + daily abortions here in America? That YOUR favorite new president made the first things he did in office, make it where the government will pay for international abortions. Don't think America won't pay for this atrocity.

Originally Posted by Aquila

A lot of people supported it. Because nobody dared to challenge the Administration after 9/11. I remember Bush talking about invading Iraq and I looked at my wife and asked, "Why is he invading Iraq... we need to go after Osama." Oh well...

Yes, the both sinned. However, I don't think anyone would agree that an extra-marital affair is as terrible as launching a highly questionable war based on highly questionable intelligence wherein tens of thousands of innocent people were killed.

It seems like we give a free pass to the Republicans, and crucify Democrats. Yes, Clinton sinned with women... David was an adulterer and a womanizer too. Men are men, and the power of an office brings a degree of temptation a lot of men can't handle. But I don't think it compares. That's just my opinion bro.

Point is Clinton repented. I highly doubt Bush will come clean with the situation we're in today.

Originally Posted by Aquila

President Bill Clinton repented and offered a public apology, did President Bush?

Bush has nothing to repent of that I see. The Republicans AND Democrats agreed to this war.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Obama is a "Christian". He's attended church and says that he believes in Jesus. I'm not going to judge another man's servant. Same with Bush, Bush is a Christian too. Both Bush and Obama are men, they aren't perfect. They are politicians. One thing I will not do is say that someone isn't a Christian when they've professed faith in Christ.

I think Clinton was a so/so President. Some good things some bad things. I know this much, I wouldn't have a job today if not for FMLA legislation that Clinton signed. Also please note that it was the Clintons who pressed for this coverage to be extended to the military.

Obama is a lip Christian not a practicing Christian. No Christian can promote abortions or gay agendas.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's face it, from where I stand it looks like you can't be Christian anymore unless you're Republican. If you're not Republican, don't even consider Christ, you will not be welcomed, your faith will be questioned, and you will be slandered.

What nonesense. Being a Republican doesn't make you a christian anymore than being a Democrat make you a sinner. There are both in both parties.

[Aquila]

Do you believe that a Christian can be a Democrat but disagree with the Democrats on abortion and gay marriage?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you believe that a Christian can be a Democrat but disagree with the Democrats on abortion and gay marriage?

I don't think being affiliated with a political party makes you a Christian or detracts from you being one. However, some affiliations do speak to character issues, such as a membership in the KKK, for instance.

Ultimately, Christianity is what you do.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you believe that a Christian can be a Democrat but disagree with the Democrats on abortion and gay marriage?

How about can a politician be a christian while actively supporting baby killing and homosexual marriage???

You won't make it far as a democrat apposing baby killing and homosexual rights, they seem to go hand and hand, at least at the higher government offices.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by missbrattified

i don't think being affiliated with a political party makes you a christian or detracts from you being one. However, some affiliations do speak to character issues, such as a membership in the kkk, for instance.

Ultimately, christianity is what you do.

bingo!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How about can a politician be a christian while actively supporting baby killing and homosexual marriage???

You won't make it far as a democrat apposing baby killing and homosexual rights, they seem to go hand and hand, at least at the higher government offices.

Exactly!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't think being affiliated with a political party makes you a Christian or detracts from you being one. However, some affiliations do speak to character issues, such as a membership in the KKK, for instance.

Ultimately, Christianity is what you do.

Not only what you do but what you stand for. If you support someone that supports KKK, abortion and gay rights, to ME you are NOT a christian.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Esther

Not only what you do but what you stand for. If you support someone that supports KKK, abortion and gay rights, to ME you are NOT a christian.

I don't see voting for someone as necessarily "supporting" them, in a sense that you are endorsing everything they do, say or believe in. In an election, you're limited to one of two choices, and usually NEITHER candidate has a clean slate. It's just a strategic political choice that has to do with the government of our country, and in the large scheme of things, I don't believe a person's Christianity can be properly weighed by which person they voted for.

I do think it points to a mindset, but not necessarily an evil or unchristian mindset.

I understand your point, but I'm not ready to judge other folks' love for God based on whose name they checked on a ballot.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Esther

Not only what you do but what you stand for. If you support someone that supports KKK, abortion and gay rights, to ME you are NOT a christian.

Great point, kinda like voting for someone who wants to expand KKK rights. How about funding them with tax dollars? Could someone claim christian and vote for such a person?