Don't you miss the days of Pres. BC?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What does "I rode up with and want to go down with you mean?" fellowship? friends? Was he not an adulterer.

It probably meant that no matter how bad the consequences of his "bad" decision were, that Anthony Mangun would remain his friend and stand with him.

What would you have suggested? Total disownment and cutting all ties, I guess? It's extremely hard to see people restored when you turn your back on them, but I realize that's what a lot of folks in the church advocate.

Just don't be surprised when sinners see that and aren't compelled to the Gospel.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

It probably meant that no matter how bad the consequences of his "bad" decision were, that Anthony Mangun would remain his friend and stand with him.

What would you have suggested? Total disownment and cutting all ties, I guess? It's extremely hard to see people restored when you turn your back on them, but I realize that's what a lot of folks in the church advocate.

Just don't be surprised when sinners see that and aren't compelled to the Gospel.

What does this mean:




2 Corinthians 6:14 (Whole Chapter)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?




I wonder if this would apply:

1 Corinthians 5:11 (Whole Chapter)
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What does this mean:




2 Corinthians 6:14 (Whole Chapter)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?




I wonder if this would apply:

1 Corinthians 5:11 (Whole Chapter)
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

TS, I think there's a difference between remaining someone's "friend" and being in close fellowship/kinship with them.

The prophet Nathan is a good example--David needed just such a "friend" after he sinned. (Adultery, conspiracy and murder, among other things)

When someone sins, it affects their relationships, but that doesn't mean we have to cut them off completely. In the case of President Clinton, since he wasn't a "brother" in the first place, then I Corinthians 5:11 doesn't even apply. That scripture is talking about fellow Christians who fall into sin.

Do you think that Jesus and the Apostles avoided contact with sinners? Of course not.

[MissBrattified]

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."

I think this is more in line with AM and former President Clinton's relationship.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What does this mean:




2 Corinthians 6:14 (Whole Chapter)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?




I wonder if this would apply:

1 Corinthians 5:11 (Whole Chapter)
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Your verse in 2 Corinthians is dealing with the "yoking" of believers and non-believers. Almost every commentary I've read on that scripture is in agreement that Paul was addressing believers marrying unbelievers.

Your verse from 1 Corinthians sounds applicable until you add in 1 Corinthians 5:9-10.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

TS, I think there's a difference between remaining someone's "friend" and being in close fellowship/kinship with them.

The prophet Nathan is a good example--David needed just such a "friend" after he sinned. (Adultery, conspiracy and murder, among other things)

When someone sins, it affects their relationships, but that doesn't mean we have to cut them off completely. In the case of President Clinton, since he wasn't a "brother" in the first place, then I Corinthians 5:11 doesn't even apply. That scripture is talking about fellow Christians who fall into sin.

Do you think that Jesus and the Apostles avoided contact with sinners? Of course not.

I agree with you about it refers to brothers and really was just throwing thoughts out to consider. I really can't speak about the clinton/mangum thing because I don't know. My guess is Mangum thought this was a moment he might reach him and flew all the way there for a 20minute discussion, while might seem extreme and one might ask would he do that for an everyday person, but we are talking about the President of the USA and if he could have been reached then just think of the trickle down effect(trickle down spiritnomics). But there are strongholds to them in power that are hard to break.

But I still question in my mind about it appears they were buddy buddy and did it violate the not fellowshipping with the unrighteous, but then again he was the president. I'm not passing judgement on Elder Mangum, that would be unwise considering I don't the situation and only read a small paragraph of a book posted on a forum.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Your verse in 2 Corinthians is dealing with the "yoking" of believers and non-believers. Almost every commentary I've read on that scripture is in agreement that Paul was addressing believers marrying unbelievers.

Your verse from 1 Corinthians sounds applicable until you add in 1 Corinthians 5:9-10.

Right! Verse 10 basically says, "These rules don't (can't) apply to those in the world, because you HAVE to go out into the world." (MissBrat's interpretation)

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I agree with you about it refers to brothers and really was just throwing thoughts out to consider. I really can't speak about the clinton/mangum thing because I don't know. My guess is Mangum thought this was a moment he might reach him and flew all the way there for a 20minute discussion, while might seem extreme and one might ask would he do that for an everyday person, but we are talking about the President of the USA and if he could have been reached then just think of the trickle down effect(trickle down spiritnomics). But there are strongholds to them in power that are hard to break.

But I still question in my mind about it appears they were buddy buddy and did it violate the not fellowshipping with the unrighteous, but then again he was the president. I'm not passing judgement on Elder Mangum, that would be unwise considering I don't the situation and only read a small paragraph of a book posted on a forum.

MikeinAR made a good point about I Corinthians 5:10.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Your verse in 2 Corinthians is dealing with the "yoking" of believers and non-believers. Almost every commentary I've read on that scripture is in agreement that Paul was addressing believers marrying unbelievers.

Your verse from 1 Corinthians sounds applicable until you add in 1 Corinthians 5:9-10.

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.




Sounds like more then just marriage to me.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Right! Verse 10 basically says, "These rules don't (can't) apply to those in the world, because you HAVE to go out into the world." (MissBrat's interpretation)

Agreed, I knew that when posting, the brotherhood should be held to a higher standard.