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Old 11-19-2008, 09:29 PM
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I just don't get it at all... Maybe I'm to far away to get it but it just doesn't make any sense... who cares if people leave and start a new organisation??? Did Barnabas and Paul split? Did Paul disagree with peter about sitting with the Jews and seperating himself when the other Jews were around... Apostolics from the conseption of the church have not always agreed on certain issues... thats fine... get over it... go and focus on winning souls instead of argueing amongst ourselves... but hey maybe I'm to moderate for everyone...
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:42 AM
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I just don't get it at all... Maybe I'm to far away to get it but it just doesn't make any sense... who cares if people leave and start a new organisation??? Did Barnabas and Paul split? Did Paul disagree with peter about sitting with the Jews and seperating himself when the other Jews were around... Apostolics from the conseption of the church have not always agreed on certain issues... thats fine... get over it... go and focus on winning souls instead of argueing amongst ourselves... but hey maybe I'm to moderate for everyone...
From the experience I have had there is not really a problem with a new organization. The problem I have seen is the deception that was used. The pastors that I know that have pulled out of UPC have been very deceptive about the WPF. And IMO lots of people have been hurt by these pastors and that has left a bad taste for the WPF.
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:40 PM
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it is a foundation which we build upon,
no you don't have to only believe the articles of faith, steve pixler, is a fine representation of apostolic believers.

but if you say you believe it and then try to skirt around it another thing altogether
I saw that and it was not a good thing for me to see it.

Somethings are not worth believing.

There's hardly anything worth lying about though.
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Old 12-10-2008, 04:20 PM
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9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the church to pray; the one a WPF minister, and the other a Charismatic.
11The WPF minister stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Charismatic.
12 I fast twice in the week in between gluttonous meals after church, I give tithes of all that I possess and they are meticulously paid on the gross amount. I have no facial hair. I have no body piercings. My hair does not touch my ears nor my collar. I do not use alcohol, nicotine nor caffeine in any way. I do not watch television programs unless it is in a hotel room or unless the program is viewable on my computer. I do not display my body by wearing short sleeves, short pants or sandals. I do not play golf or any other ungodly sports. I wear no ornaments nor jewelry except this cloth necklace. And with many other words did he remind God of his life of personal holiness until God's ear became weary of his self-righteous drivel.
13 And the Charismatic, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The bible also says that i you take anything out of the Bible, your name shall be removed from the book of life.. and if you add anything to it (bible), the plagues of this book (bible) shall be added to you. Be careful of how you talk about these men and how you mock the scriptures
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:16 PM
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From the experience I have had there is not really a problem with a new organization. The problem I have seen is the deception that was used. The pastors that I know that have pulled out of UPC have been very deceptive about the WPF. And IMO lots of people have been hurt by these pastors and that has left a bad taste for the WPF.
It's safe to say if one can accuses WPF brethren of anything, there were just as vicious retorts from the other side of the aisle on this. It has been anything but pretty no matter where you live. The things said both privately and publicly. Thankfully, the biggest mess is over with. Fellowship will be interesting, since many WPFers are open to fellowship with UPC, but many UPC won't in fear of political reprisal. I've heard of one personal example where a man cancelled a revival (that was UPC) because he feared it affecting his preaching schedule.
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:52 PM
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These types of scenarios remind me of the people in the early church who would proclaim "I am of Paul" or "I am of Appollos" (Heard a great message this week pertaining to this same idea).

On one hand I find nothing wrong with creating new organizations, on the other, it is a shame that they are usually formed out of dissension and strife between opposing parties. When one organization is restricted in fellowship with another, the body of Christ seems to be less compacted, less fitly joined together. A split in opinion is one thing, a split in fellowship is another. (I am sure that there are examples of organizational splits that were for the good, such as one organization held a belief that was found to contradict plainly stated scripture and refused to change, and making that change was a salvation issue as clearly depicted, word for word in the bible.)

If I had three hands, I would also say, on the other, other hand , I don't like the idea of organizations at all. But as I can come up with no better way to keep things going without organizations, I must tolerate them. (In my opinion, organizations are inherently doomed to failure, or more precisely, erosion of effectiveness. )

Since I have time, I might as well spend some of it on an explanation. I'll keep it short and simple. All organizations start out with a person or persons with good intentions and some degree of new found truth (or in some cases new found error, but we won't go there today). When that person or persons pass on, the organization is handed over to the next generation who may not hold all of the original intentions of the founder(s). Eventually the organization becomes a symbol of what it was once intended to be. The leaders erect "walls" around their founder's beliefs to ensure no other outside "incorrect" doctrines pollute their original founders standard. Having erected these "walls", further truth revealed by God to a new generation has a much harder time being brought to light in said organization because of said organization's pre-erected "walls". When a further truth is discovered, dissension in the name of preserving the founder's beliefs arise, inevitably causing division/splits. This is the pattern.

If we do not know God fully, in every aspect, seeing as we "see through a glass darkly", how can we profess to be the end all to be all? How can we say, "what this organization established years ago is what we believe, here are our articles, there is nothing more"? God will always reveal new truths, or at least new to us, for we have no idea how much we may have lost since the early church under the original 12 apostles. (We have God's preserved word, but we may not have all of the understanding that the early church had concerning God's preserved word. If we did have such understanding preserved, there would not be Oneness vs. Trinity today.)

As I said earlier, I have no better alternative to organizations, so I tolerate them. But I do expect splits once in a while, since that is the pattern. But, knowing that these splits are going to happen is kind of like legal spiritual "inside trading", lol. Since we know they are going to happen, and that they are most likely happening because of 1) a new truth has been revealed, or 2) a new deceit is on the loose, just knowing that one of these two options are taking place gives us a wake up call to pay close attention and TRULY consider both sides of the argument, comparing both to scripture, not just follow inbred loyalties. Some people just stick where they are because they like tradition, others leave where they are due to spite, but some of us see what is happening and take this opportunity to either dodge a false doctrine or gain a new revelation!

So, to make a long story longer, I may not exactly like organizations, but lacking a better alternative, I can adapt to them and use their weaknesses to my advantage, as can all of us who truly seek God and not seek to uphold tradition for tradition's sake.

(On another side, side, side note [lol], I usually don't give this type of opinion, since it really doesn't focus on the word of God, but you have all been most kind so far, I feel I might survive giving out an off the cuff thought )

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Old 12-17-2008, 07:05 PM
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Ack, I reread my post, please don't read to much into it. I don't know everything and I really don't claim to. All I can do, for the most part, is post my opinions. I am not close minded though and can handle opposing opinions and creative criticism

That said, my post does represent where I currently stand, but beyond that, I still think it is a shame that splits happen and there are times when organizational splits happen when they should not have because the difference of opinion was simply too minor to warrant such an major reaction.
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The pharisee sect began the same way. Until they crucified Jesus. One has to wonder how much longer before the upci brass cry "Crucify Him".

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there are those who believe that the UPCI manual was given to Moses on the mountain....or at least it should be worshiped that way.

The manual is a working document....and if you ever get the chance to look at the original one(first printing)....you would find it MUCH smaller and less detailed about "do's and don'ts" than the current one we have.

It has changed....and it has become much more exclusive. Which I don't really think is a good thing.
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Old 12-17-2008, 09:24 PM
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Sounding brass or tinkling symbol?

O.K., now I have gone waaaaay out of character.
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