Can we have an abortion of the Faith?

[Pastor DTSalaz]

I believe that by God's grace provision is made for us to hear the Gospel. This is not by coincidence or chance but by divine destiny. Either by a friend, family, or an invitation to a bible study or service God opens the door.

By this manner faith is inseminated into the human heart.

This faith brings a confession from the heart. Repentance occurs.

In the natural progression of life the birth needs to occur. Baptism

As a final result of birth, life is continued by breathing the life giving oxygen for life to continue. Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Also nutrients are needed to sustain life. The Word. Being in Christ. Like attached to the vine.

If there is an abortion of the faith the natural process of continued life will cease to exist. This can occur in the womb, after birth, or even by being cut off from the vine, or the cares of life robbing us of our faith. We are able to apostate.

For life to naturally continue one cannot have life apart from the Spirit and the Word which bring breath and nourishment to our spiritual bodies.

Life begins at faith for without faith none of these other things are possible. So if we give the impression that at repentance salvation occurs life is really incomplete. We can argue the technicalities however if these other things do not occur are we giving false hope to the prospective believer? If Salvation has already occurred these other things are done just to show that you are saved? Is it possible for us to cause a spiritual abortion by giving incomplete information?

Is that why the whole gospel to the whole world is important? The full message of where life begins and how life can end. That is why so many verses teach on our faith not failing.

Sure we want to focus on where faith will lead us but do we do an injustice by giving a false hope?

Is acts 2.38 true completely or just partially?

Your opinions or scripture to back the truth of your stance.

God Bless
Pastor Salaz

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

I believe that by God's grace provision is made for us to hear the Gospel. This is not by coincidence or chance but by divine destiny. Either by a friend, family, or an invitation to a bible study or service God opens the door.

By this manner faith is inseminated into the human heart.

This faith brings a confession from the heart. Repentance occurs.

In the natural progression of life the birth needs to occur. Baptism

As a final result of birth, life is continued by breathing the life giving oxygen for life to continue. Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Also nutrients are needed to sustain life. The Word. Being in Christ. Like attached to the vine.

If there is an abortion of the faith the natural process of continued life will cease to exist. This can occur in the womb, after birth, or even by being cut off from the vine, or the cares of life robbing us of our faith. We are able to apostate.

For life to naturally continue one cannot have life apart from the Spirit and the Word which bring breath and nourishment to our spiritual bodies.

Life begins at faith for without faith none of these other things are possible. So if we give the impression that at repentance salvation occurs life is really incomplete. We can argue the technicalities however if these other things do not occur are we giving false hope to the prospective believer? If Salvation has already occurred these other things are done just to show that you are saved? Is it possible for us to cause a spiritual abortion by giving incomplete information?

Is that why the whole gospel to the whole world is important? The full message of where life begins and how life can end. That is why so many verses teach on our faith not failing.

Sure we want to focus on where faith will lead us but do we do an injustice by giving a false hope?

Is acts 2.38 true completely or just partially?

Your opinions or scripture to back the truth of your stance.

God Bless
Pastor Salaz

Interesting!!!

I would think so. Because in natural child birth and abortion is done while the child is in the womb and even partial birth abortions the baby is not fully out of the body so by law that is an abortion. Being fully out side the body then doing it is murder, right? Well as Christians are we ever out of the womb? Meaning that aren't we consistanly growing and getting nurishment from the one that is birthing us? Even as mature christian we shoud still be gaining nurishment. So giving false info is committing spiritual abortion. Now giving miss info may not commit spiritual abortion. Salvation happens at faith like life happens at conception, IMO. However one should go one to be baptized and receive the spirit because one is saved. Just like conception is not the end of life. Our lives are meant to be lived out full of great things and excitement. There is a purpose to each persons life, spiritually and physically.

[DividedThigh]

people have abortions all the time in and out of the church, it aint got nothing to do with faith, more with nature, even saved folks are still subject to being human, my own opinion of course, dt

[Pastor DTSalaz]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

people have abortions all the time in and out of the church, it aint got nothing to do with faith, more with nature, even saved folks are still subject to being human, my own opinion of course, dt

I am talking about spiritual abortion of the faith.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

If you are a one stepper what happens if there is no follow through of the baptism of water and spirit?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Pastor DTSalaz

If you are a one stepper what happens if there is no follow through of the baptism of water and spirit?

Real simple, justification didn't take place. True surrender didn't happen. It is an exercise of the will to get water baptized...Spirit baptism is different. You can't just "will" to be Spirit filled.

Going on to live the life is proof of surrender to the King. Anything less and it didn't happen or there is a misunderstanding.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Real simple, justification didn't take place. True surrender didn't happen. It is an exercise of the will to get water baptized...Spirit baptism is different. You can't just "will" to be Spirit filled.

Going on to live the life is proof of surrender to the King. Anything less and it didn't happen or there is a misunderstanding.

There are two different factors

How does one know if the faith is genuine in the beginning of an unbeliever/soul if all that is required is a sinners prayer

Secondly some may have received the faith but have aborted that faith and returned to the world.

Mar 4:3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
Mar 4:4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

These never received the faith

Mar 4:5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:
Mar 4:6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.
Mar 4:7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

These had faith but forsook the faith. Did these have saving faith?

Mar 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
Mar 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


They all heard the Word but some believed and continued in the faith while others let circumstances kill their faith.