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09-19-2008, 09:24 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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Well, at least the author makes her case very articulately.
I disagree with statement like this: It is clear that the tattoo has always been an indication of a spirit of rebellion and deviancy on its wearers. All the tattoo books make comments about tattooing being rebellious. In addition, the tattoo is considered a mark of disgrace or reproach by the same tattoo books.
And the only reason I disagree with them is because they are pure supposition and interpretation.
ALL the tattoo books say this? I doubt that.
Either way, I can support the fact that tattoos have had a stigma associated with the in our culture over the years, usually connecting them to motorcycle riders, rebellion, etc. But, at one point, beards and mustaches were a sign of rebellion. So, times change.
To make the argument "I can't believe Christians are considering tattoos" is not a logical argument, in my opinon.
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My statement wasn't an arguement but a statement. Somethings are not even arguable such as shooting heroin, smoking dope, pierced breast etc.....
Now go swim some laps!
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09-19-2008, 09:32 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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My statement wasn't an arguement but a statement. Somethings are not even arguable such as shooting heroin, smoking dope, pierced breast etc.....
Now go swim some laps!
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Haha, Lord knows I need to swim some laps!
By the way, did you notice that I don't have any tattoos?
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09-19-2008, 09:40 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
Tattoos are a bad idea.
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09-19-2008, 09:42 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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Tattoos are a bad idea.
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And that's all that needs to be said!
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09-19-2008, 12:34 PM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
I'm agin' it.
While I do not hold to a lot of strict standards, I also do not think the church should attempt to copy one of what I consider our society's basest cultural deviances.
Yep, against piercings too. I do not see the need to put a hole in my body for adornment's sake.
No, do not teach as heaven or hell issues, but I'm always willing to share my opinions.
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09-19-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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I do not argue that point of whether or not God was in favor of them.
God also gave very specific dietary laws in the Old Testament, but how many Christians adhere to them? Why is overeating accepted and even joked about in the ranks of Apostolics, yet other things that "defile the temple" are made into mortal sins? I heard on preacher say, "The Bible says we're the temple of the Holy Ghost, and I'm building a cathedral!" And the congregation laughed!
Wonder how much they would have laughed if the preacher had joked about getting a tattoo?
Poor eating habits and lack of exercise will destroy the temple much more quickly than a tattoo on someone's arm.
I have always contended that our inconsistencies create more distrust than anything else.
People don't mind "standards" that are consistent and make sense, even if there is no specific scripture. What causes people to scratch their heads is when we wink at some things, and excuse worse things.
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I notice that once you've been pinned to the mat you want to change the subject.
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09-20-2008, 08:05 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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I disagree with the first part, but agree with the 2nd. I am not against them and would happily get one myself IF I ever found that picture/symbol that jumped out at me.
In this regards I believe the only tattoos that have ANY chance of having lasting meaning would be a memorial one -for a departed loved one.
As far as just getting one because it is "pretty", imagine finding the perfect paint color for your living room, kitchen, bedroom, etc.... Now imagine being told as your applying it, that you will be forced to keep this for the next 40-50 years. I don't think there is ANY paint color or pattern that has THAT sort of staying power.
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I still think it is stupid and respect your opinion to disagree. But I don't like the buzz haircuts on men either. Each to their own.
Just wanted to say again I think they are stupid and never seen a tatoo I thought was attractive and I have unfortunately seen a lot.
Also, you can get a disease IF the needles are not clean. Yet my goofy niece that is a nurse got one! Her mother was NOT happy about that and no they are not UPC, but good ole Baptist.
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09-20-2008, 08:30 AM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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Huh? Pinned to the mat?
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09-20-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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huh? Pinned to the mat?
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people can say that the law was abolished. That's true. People can say there is no specific new testament prohibition about tattoos. That's true. People can say that we have liberty in christ. That is also true.
but what you cannot say is that the god of the old testament was in favor of them.
did god's personality change at the start of the new testament?
The things that please and displease god have not changed, as god does not change.
I struggle to understand the mindset of these lawyers of the new testament. If something appeals to their flesh, they scour the new testament (and only the new testament) to make sure it isn't prohibited there, and then do it. Following the letter of the law, but not the spirit, as god's spirit is also defined by the old testament. The new testament can only be understood from the basis of the old.
I also struggle to understand all the justifications. People are drawn by their flesh to try all the latest worldly (that's carnal and/or evil) trends. Rather than attempt to draw a bead on god's spirit about the topic from the word and from prayer, they check the nt for specific mention, and then just do it! Taking the whole of scripture, how does one derive the principle of giving god our very least?
I don't understand the mindset of wanting to be as much like the world as possible without violating specific nt "rules." we are specifically called to come out of the world and live separate from it.
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09-20-2008, 10:36 PM
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Re: Tattoos-What do ya think?
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Oh, so you think you pinned me to that mat, huh? Lol.
Ok, I'll concede that the OT wasn't in favor of tattoos.
Or eating shrimp, or wearing wool and linens together, or eating pork, etc.
What's your point?
Is your argument against tatoos merely that the OT isn't in favor of them?
Kind of weak, my friend.
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