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Old 09-08-2008, 12:25 PM
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I do believe that that could have been a distinct possibility. It is hypothetical but I do believe that that could have happened. Personally, speaking purely as a Black man, I would have vastly preferred that he would have been the first Black nominee of a major party.
I'm a 41-year-old white man, and would have no problem voting for a black man (or woman) as the leader of our nation - if I thought he or she had what it took and stood for the right things. I would say, though, that if Obama does win this year's election, they need to exponentially grow the Secret Service coverage of the president and the intelligence surrounding his security detail. I know there are too many "good ole boys" raising a confederate flag, and too many other lunatic fringe individuals who would rather die a martyr's death than allow someone who they view as being from an inferior race be their leader. Very sad, but it is the world we live in.

On the subject of Obama or McCain... it's unfortunate, but that is what we get in a two-party system. When you only have two sides, they seem to drift to the extremes and America is forced to always have to choose the "lesser of the two evils." I'm appalled that US politics have degenerated to that point, but grass roots efforts to bring more centrist alternative view points or candidates are short-lived and quickly drown out by the high-priced voices of the two-party mainlines.

I'm a Christian, but I don't identify with the "Christian Right" and their two-issue agenda. I'm more of a centrist and believe that we need to get back to government by the people and for the people. Lately, it seems that under either Dem or Rep, we're having more and more "people for the government" with politicians more interested in their own personal careers than the interests of the people that elected them. Very sad. People need to wake up, and until they do things will never really change. We'll have people making platitudes and promises every four years, and we'll buy it hook line and sinker. And then we elect them and nothing will change because we don't hold them accountable.

Refusing to vote is not an option. Neither is voting for the "lesser of the two evils." I'm thinking of writing in Ron Paul. He's the only one I think I can vote for with a clear conscience. No chance of winning, but at least I'll be able to reconcile with my conscience and with my God how I cast the vote that I've been entrusted with. Not endorsing or trying to hijack the thread, just saying where I'm at.
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:10 PM
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I'm a 41-year-old white man, and would have no problem voting for a black man (or woman) as the leader of our nation - if I thought he or she had what it took and stood for the right things. I would say, though, that if Obama does win this year's election, they need to exponentially grow the Secret Service coverage of the president and the intelligence surrounding his security detail. I know there are too many "good ole boys" raising a confederate flag, and too many other lunatic fringe individuals who would rather die a martyr's death than allow someone who they view as being from an inferior race be their leader. Very sad, but it is the world we live in.

On the subject of Obama or McCain... it's unfortunate, but that is what we get in a two-party system. When you only have two sides, they seem to drift to the extremes and America is forced to always have to choose the "lesser of the two evils." I'm appalled that US politics have degenerated to that point, but grass roots efforts to bring more centrist alternative view points or candidates are short-lived and quickly drown out by the high-priced voices of the two-party mainlines.

I'm a Christian, but I don't identify with the "Christian Right" and their two-issue agenda. I'm more of a centrist and believe that we need to get back to government by the people and for the people. Lately, it seems that under either Dem or Rep, we're having more and more "people for the government" with politicians more interested in their own personal careers than the interests of the people that elected them. Very sad. People need to wake up, and until they do things will never really change. We'll have people making platitudes and promises every four years, and we'll buy it hook line and sinker. And then we elect them and nothing will change because we don't hold them accountable.

Refusing to vote is not an option. Neither is voting for the "lesser of the two evils." I'm thinking of writing in Ron Paul. He's the only one I think I can vote for with a clear conscience. No chance of winning, but at least I'll be able to reconcile with my conscience and with my God how I cast the vote that I've been entrusted with. Not endorsing or trying to hijack the thread, just saying where I'm at.
Jaamez, I'm on a self-imposed sabbatical from the political threads (well I've been reading but not posting) . But I just have to say that you are saying what I've been saying and what many of the younger Christians are feeling. I'm not a big fan of the two-party system, but it is my point that if we are going to accept the two-party system, we cannot afford to allow the parties to take a significant portion of their support for granted. Blind loyalty to any one of the two parties with very little by way of demands, what will be expected, and what will not be tolerated leaves too many people powerless.
I no longer think that it is a good idea to tell a political party that you will have my support in 2012 no matter what, but that is what many people feel like has been happening.
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:14 PM
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i smell and see morons among us, what a joke, prosecute every senator and congressman or woman that voted for the war , then you can add bush and cheney, they werent alone, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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well at least tstew i would have voted for colin powell myself, he was qualified, unlike, bho, dt
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:31 PM
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i smell and see morons among us, what a joke, prosecute every senator and congressman or woman that voted for the war , then you can add bush and cheney, they werent alone, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Yes I have mentioned the congress voted for the war more than once but it seems to go over some folks heads.
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Yes I have mentioned the congress voted for the war more than once but it seems to go over some folks heads.
anyone who wants to find the real partisian rankor needs to take a long hard look at the far left.
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anyone who wants to find the real partisian rankor needs to take a long hard look at the far left.
true dat, dt
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