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[Aquila]

I don't believe every state requires abortion providers to be licensed "doctors". I'll have to look into that one to be more sure.

But what do you do when it goes underground?

The issue I have is that you're just slapping some folks on the wrist and calling it justice. And to make matters worse...you have NO intention on addressing the issues women face that cause them to feel they need to choose abortion. Frankly, you sound like you don't even care.

Anyway, there's no way any antiabortion law like this will get traction in the US. The moment they try to prosecute a doctor under these laws civil rights leaders will make martyrs out of them. And I don't care how conservative the court, the court will rule on the side of individual liberty.

It's not going to change. You're just manipulating us.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's not going to save lives. Are all abortion providers licensed doctors?

Actually that varies by state but any surgical abortion does require a licensed physician however all you need in states that don't require a medical doctor during the very early stages is a similar punishment. Abortion is a money making industry and going to jail for a year would dissuade most people from attempting it

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't believe every state requires abortion providers to be licensed "doctors". I'll have to look into that one to be more sure.

But what do you do when it goes underground?

The issue I have is that you're just slapping some folks on the wrist and calling it justice. And to make matters worse...you have NO intention on addressing the issues women face that cause them to feel they need to choose abortion. Frankly, you sound like you don't even care.

Anyway, there's no way any antiabortion law like this will get traction in the US. The moment they try to prosecute a doctor under these laws civil rights leaders will make martyrs out of them. And I don't care how conservative the court, the court will rule on the side of individual liberty.

It's not going to change. You're just manipulating us.

First, you haven't asked about addressing the issue these women are facing. Second I have faced it first hand so I have much more compassion than you think. Third, I not only oppose I also have given money, clothing, blankets, etc. to local crisis pregnancy centers. Finally It is NEVER the governments job to provide alternatives.

[Aquila]

Bro....you're living a fantasy. While you're concepts appear on the surface to be more pragmatic than most I've heard, they'll never outlaw abortion in this country. We as a society have to address the issues women face rather it be through social policies, private efforts, or both. We've seen this tired agenda go nowhere for 30 years now. I'm tired of being manipulated to vote for men who send jobs oversease or break the treasury causing layoffs and nearly put my family under a bridge every four years.

Do you know what it feels like to train an Indian contractor who eventually takes your job? They gave those work visas away like they were candy.

Sorry, I just don't believe you or buy your position any more. I hear you...but nothing ever happens or ever will. I just want to serve the Lord and have a job, a home, and a family. If a woman aborts her baby for no reason, I believe God's gonna get her. Her only hope is repentance. Period.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Aquila

He's right. It's not the government's job to force a woman to give birth in effort to some how punish her for her improper behaviors, wrong though they may be. Society, including Government, should reach out with programs, efforts, and initiatives to help her and encourage her to choose life and raise her children. She's made a mistake, and too many prolife people want to force her to give birth and abandon her by cutting her WIC, health insurance, etc.... just to make an example out of her.

She she she she she! Its always SHE that should be punished or she that made the mistake or she that should have made a better choice, or she that should have been taught better, etc, etc.

How about teaching the HEs that fathering children out of wedlock is NOT the right way to prove one's manhood?

How about punishing the HEs that run around making as many babies as possible with various women and use their total number of children as bragging material?

How about teaching the HEs to make better choices and be better examples and leaders to their families and fellow males instead of simply following their hormones and the worldly crowd?

I'm so sick of this stupid nonsense of blaming the women all the time.

Heres an incredible revelation Chris - Very few women are capable of OVERPOWERING a man to force him to have sex with her. And if the man is too weak to resist tempatation, thats HIS PROBLEM, not hers.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

She she she she she! Its always SHE that should be punished or she that made the mistake or she that should have made a better choice, or she that should have been taught better, etc, etc.

How about teaching the HEs that fathering children out of wedlock is NOT the right way to prove one's manhood?

How about punishing the HEs that run around making as many babies as possible with various women and use their total number of children as bragging material?

How about teaching the HEs to make better choices and be better examples and leaders to their families and fellow males instead of simply following their hormones and the worldly crowd?

I'm so sick of this stupid nonsense of blaming the women all the time.

Heres an incredible revelation Chris - Very few women are capable of OVERPOWERING a man to force him to have sex with her. And if the man is too weak to resist tempatation, thats HIS PROBLEM, not hers.

You GO GIRL!!!!!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

She she she she she! Its always SHE that should be punished or she that made the mistake or she that should have made a better choice, or she that should have been taught better, etc, etc.

How about teaching the HEs that fathering children out of wedlock is NOT the right way to prove one's manhood?

How about punishing the HEs that run around making as many babies as possible with various women and use their total number of children as bragging material?

How about teaching the HEs to make better choices and be better examples and leaders to their families and fellow males instead of simply following their hormones and the worldly crowd?

I'm so sick of this stupid nonsense of blaming the women all the time.

Heres an incredible revelation Chris - Very few women are capable of OVERPOWERING a man to force him to have sex with her. And if the man is too weak to resist tempatation, thats HIS PROBLEM, not hers.

This is so true.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

She she she she she! Its always SHE that should be punished or she that made the mistake or she that should have made a better choice, or she that should have been taught better, etc, etc.

How about teaching the HEs that fathering children out of wedlock is NOT the right way to prove one's manhood?

How about punishing the HEs that run around making as many babies as possible with various women and use their total number of children as bragging material?

How about teaching the HEs to make better choices and be better examples and leaders to their families and fellow males instead of simply following their hormones and the worldly crowd?

I'm so sick of this stupid nonsense of blaming the women all the time.

Heres an incredible revelation Chris - Very few women are capable of OVERPOWERING a man to force him to have sex with her. And if the man is too weak to resist tempatation, thats HIS PROBLEM, not hers.

Great points. Men aren't being held responsible for their actions. It is all being pinned on women. But sadly, that's not going to change either. Welcome to this fallen hell hole called planet Earth.

The most we can do is raise our families and our children to do what's right. Government isn't the answer. I think it might be able to help sometimes, but even then, it often causes more problems than not.