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Old 08-16-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: Phariseeism

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As to your website. I have to say I disagree strongly with the sweeping generalization. You say in "misinterpreted" scriptures "The UPC say"....That's a logical fallacy unless the UPC has an official doctrinal statement saying what you said. Rather it would be better to say "some OPs" or "Some Apostolics use this verse to mean"
Praxeas, thanks for the feedback . On the front page I explained why I used the terms apostolic / apostolic Pentecostal / UPC synonymously. The basic reason is because the site was originally put together for family and friends, and we were all in the UPC. When other people started discovering the site it was too hard to go back and re-write all the content.

You're absolutely correct in what you said, though, and I don't deny it. One thing I do write in the introduction to that section, though, is this:

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There are many Scriptures that are misinterpreted by Oneness Pentecostals. I have decided to create a list of the most common ones on this page. Some of these Scriptures are misinterpreted by most, if not all, Christians, but most of the Scriptures on this page are misinterpreted mostly by Oneness Pentecostals.
Unfortunately I can't think of any one term that I could use that would avoid offending every possible visitor .
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:33 PM
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Praxeas, thanks for the feedback . On the front page I explained why I used the terms apostolic / apostolic Pentecostal / UPC synonymously. The basic reason is because the site was originally put together for family and friends, and we were all in the UPC. When other people started discovering the site it was too hard to go back and re-write all the content.

You're absolutely correct in what you said, though, and I don't deny it. One thing I do write in the introduction to that section, though, is this:



Unfortunately I can't think of any one term that I could use that would avoid offending every possible visitor .
Under stand why you said "UPC" but you are using a sweeping generalization in some of your statements to make it seem all apostolics hold such a view. So I suggest making it clear these views are held by some Apostolics but are not necessarily a part of any organizational offical doctrine etc etc.

BTW how do you like word press? I like the layout you used
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:51 PM
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Under stand why you said "UPC" but you are using a sweeping generalization in some of your statements to make it seem all apostolics hold such a view. So I suggest making it clear these views are held by some Apostolics but are not necessarily a part of any organizational offical doctrine etc etc.

BTW how do you like word press? I like the layout you used
Hmmm you make a good point. I'll go back through the articles and see if I can find a better way to phrase it. I considered just using the word "apostolic," but I thought that people who are not from a Oneness Pentecostal background might find it confusing.

Anyway, I really do appreciate the feedback. I know that some people will find the site offensive no matter what I do, but I try to avoid being deliberately offensive.

As far as Wordpress goes, I love it! That theme was a free one that I found on-line. I used to use Xoops and Plone, but Wordpress has come so far that I don't need a full-fledged CMS any more.

My personal web site -- www.jspiers.org -- is also done with Wordpress. That theme is created by a designer called Milo. Her (I think it's a her) themes are pretty noisy, but if you tweak the code a little bit you can make them work well.

I also just finished other Web site for the local BCM. I did that one using Wordpress -- www.spartanburgbcm.org. That's also a Milo theme.
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:54 PM
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Praxeas, thanks for the feedback . On the front page I explained why I used the terms apostolic / apostolic Pentecostal / UPC synonymously. The basic reason is because the site was originally put together for family and friends, and we were all in the UPC. When other people started discovering the site it was too hard to go back and re-write all the content.

You're absolutely correct in what you said, though, and I don't deny it. One thing I do write in the introduction to that section, though, is this:



Unfortunately I can't think of any one term that I could use that would avoid offending every possible visitor .
Ascension2020,
Pardon me for just asking the question bluntly:
Did you join this forum as a way of drawing attention to your anti-UPC website?
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:20 PM
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Ascension2020,
Pardon me for just asking the question bluntly:
Did you join this forum as a way of drawing attention to your anti-UPC website?
I don't mind the question. I would wonder the same thing if I were in your shoes.

No, I didn't join the forum for that reason. My signature is created by Facebook and I use that on many Web sites and forums. Because it is generated by Facebook it includes my Web sites. I could create a different one just for this forum but I didn't see any reason to.

The reason I joined this site is because I like to keep up with what is going on in the apostolic movement. I was third generation Oneness Pentecostal so it's nice to see what friends are up to. I usually lurk, and very rarely post. When I do post I am very careful to not say anything that would be against the apostolic doctrine as it is defined by AFF. I'm not interested in coming here to debate . There are plenty of other forums where I could do that if I wanted to.

Today is only the second time that I have posted in any threads. Praxeas is the first person that I know of who has even noticed the Web site in my signature and visited it. I was kind of surprised.

P.S. - Just to clarify to everyone who reads this: My Web site is not intended to be anti-UPC or anti-apostolic or anti-Oneness or anything else. I put the site together for family and friends so that I wouldn't have to keep answering the same questions over and over. I have never tried to persuade anyone to leave the UPC or any other apostolic Pentecostal organization/church/group.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:23 PM
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He gives that as his reason too on the website, really intended for family and friends who want to know why
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  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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Old 08-16-2008, 05:24 PM
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P.S. - Just to clarify to everyone who reads this: My Web site is not intended to be anti-UPC or anti-apostolic or anti-Oneness or anything else. I put the site together for family and friends so that I wouldn't have to keep answering the same questions over and over. I have never tried to persuade anyone to leave the UPC or any other apostolic Pentecostal organization/church/group.
I went up read, I didn't read anything crazy...
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:08 PM
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Bro. Blume this is one area in which I would ask you to research. Sure the Pharisees taught some of the Law of Moses but the vast majority was traditions and the Oral law that they had added to the Law of Moses and negated it. The Sadducees where the literalists not the Pharisees concerning the Law of Moses.
No matter how much you like to say differently, Jesus did not condone saints obeying preachers in things the bible never taught. Sorry. You are wrong.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:09 PM
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2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Right, and not things outside the bible that people teach.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:11 PM
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No matter how much you like to say differently, Jesus did not condone saints obeying preachers in things the bible never taught. Sorry. You are wrong.
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