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Old 07-02-2008, 01:44 PM
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Re: Sex offenders- prison for volunteering in chur

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My my my my my

It’s about time for Big Daddy to step up to the pulpit, pull out his Bible and get his preach on up in here.

The text for tonight is 1 Cor. Chapter 6. We are fixin to exigent on the Blood of Christ.
Come on now, the devil is a lie.

But first let me take a deep breath step away from the podium over to the lectern and explain a little bit of phraseology which although alluded to does not seem to have sunk in.

If necessary I will post actual case after case complete with names of totally ridiculous instances of people being registered as sex offenders.

In nearly a third of the states someone caught urinating in public (WITHOUT EXPOSURE) is charged with lewd conduct and forced to register as a sex offender.

Scenario- 20 year old female, too much iced tea, stops car, not a rest room in sight, steps around the corner to relieve herself, police officer happens around the corner figures out what is going on gives her a citation. Sex offender. Now eight years later she’s married, mother of two, and a pastor’s wife. Moves to Georgia and discovers that if she sings in the choir, or helps in the kitchen she could get 30 years in prison?

Scenario- 14 year old gives birth after having child. Father was 15 year old, mother has to register as sex offender. Actual case.

Scenario- 19 year old still in high school has oral sex with 17 year old girlfriend he is charged with statutory rape, convicted, spends one and half years in prison while legislature changes the law. He is released finally but still has to register as sex offender. Actual Case.

Scenario- 8 year old boy taken into the juvenile system because he won’t stop patting girl’s on the butt while walking down the hall at school. TWO YEAR debate on whether he should register as sex offender. Fortunately cooler heads prevail and he doesn’t but still close call. Actual case.

Is the message starting to sink in?

Sex offender does NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUATE TO CHILD MOLESTER

Sex offender does NOT AUTOMATICALLY EQUATE TO PREDITOR.

Now that terminology 101 is over still fighting the urge to step back to the pulpit….

The law far exceeds the common sense requirements to keep a reasonable barrier between an offender and young children. It is saying that a sex offender, molester or not, cannot serve in a church in ANY capacity EVER, they by the grace of the state shall be allowed to come in sit down and not participate in any manner.

“Brother, we are short handed tonight, you’ve been coming here for ten years could you please help us take up the offering?” “ Love to, but that might be considered “volunteering” and I could face 30 years in prison.”

Doesn’t take a lot of common decency, mere common sense should set off alarm bells !!!!!!
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:37 PM
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Re: Sex offenders- prison for volunteering in chur

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1st Corinthians 6, verses 9, 10, and this time 11.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Do we believe in this .... or not ....???? Do we believe in the blood?
I've just started reading this thread.. I went to Biblegateway to copy and post this scripture and decided to read more... it needed posted.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:44 PM
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LOL...of course you would say this...discriminate against sex offenders...please
What kind of comment is this? From someone who is suppose to be a Christ follower.

You did not read what I actually said. All you saw was the "sex offender" and did not read anything else.

Why are ALL other criminals not being hit with the same kind of restrictions? Like DUI offenders who kill people, murderers, gang members, drug dealers, you name it?

That is why I said discrimination, because no where in history, has any other class of offenders been given such harsh punishment, and yes, that is discrimination.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:47 PM
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Actually it answers your previous question about why I started the thread.

The law is both draconian and overly broad in application. Furthermore, it preys on the public's fear of what it means (or more precisely doesn't mean) to be a registered sex offender.


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I'd love for you folks to read the following item on my blog, and let me know what you think.

http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.co...aw-issues.html

And also this, which is something I wrote a long time ago when I was angry:

1. I do not believe in registries period, but if the sex offender laws are kept, why discriminate? I DEMAND WE HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY REGISTRY, SO I KNOW IF YOU ARE A MURDERER, GANG MEMBER, DRUG DEALER/USER, DRUNK, THIEF! IT'S MY RIGHT! Why won't this fly? Because then the senator, mayor, governor, president, celebrities or you may be on a publically accessible registry to face the shame. But why not? Why discriminate?

2. When will people ever realize no matter how tough on crime, all the zero tolerance, all the registries in the world will not prevent a murderer from murdering, a thief from stealing, a dealer from dealing, a user from using, a rapist from raping....accusations on any sex crime, child abuse, or domestic violence will literally nail your butt to the wall! No DNA has to be present, No violence has to be present..... HEARSAY ALONE IS LITERALLY NAILING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO THE WALL BECAUSE THESE LAWS ARE BIASED.

3. Living is already almost impossible for "sex offenders", and the more and more laws that are passed daily, eventually they are going to back-fire. You must be realistic and SMART on crime, when making laws, these draconian laws make it impossible for anyone to live ANY type of life. Everyone is for treatment and punishing those violent offenders who are making other sex offenders lives hell, but like I said, we must be realistic. Being TOUGH on crime doesn't work, history has proved that.

4. The issue with sex offenders Internet email addresses, IM names, etc being collected, this is another "feel good" law that will not stop crime. If someone wanted to commit a new crime, they'd create a new email address and commit the crime. This is stupid and won't work. It is just another waste of the taxpayers money.

5. Think!! Come up with solutions, not "feel good" laws, which make it harder and harder for sex offenders to get on with their lives, and do nothing about protecting people or deal with the actual problem.

6. "Buffer Zones" are a false sense of security! The "buffer zone" could be 50 or 100 miles, but if someone was really intent on committing another crime, do you think a "buffer zone" would stop this from occurring?

7. "Buffer Zones" are banishing people from their town, state, and possibly the country! And still not dealing with the real issues, but only pushing the problem off to someone else to deal with. Typical in this country!

8. "Buffer Zones" create homelessness, which costs society lost productivity, individual dignity, and creates additional problems for enforcing any accurate registry!

9. "Buffer Zones" do nothing, except banish! It could be 50 miles and if someone wanted to re-offend, they'd just get in a car and drive!

10. It should be MANDATORY that anyone in prison get therapy, and out of prison, if needed. Therapy does work. If you just lock them up without therapy, when they get out, they will be worse off. Therapy teaches people how to not act out and help, regardless of what the general public thinks. Just ask a therpist.

11. We need to STOP this hysteria and get sex offenders the help they need.

12. You can pass all the laws you want but without therapy this "mob" mentality will not solve anything!

13. I am sick of politicians using children to get their laws passed! Who would want to vote against anything that is "for the children"?

14. "Stranger Danger" is a smoke screen & hype! Most child sexual offenses occur by someone the child knows, like a family member or close friend!

15. These laws are being passed by politicians using sex offenders as scape goats, for votes!

16. Registries do NOT protect anyone or prevent crimes!

17. Registries are punishing sex offenders as well as their families and children, and opening them up to vigilantism. DON'T THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN OF sex OFFENDERS COUNT? They are suppose to be "for the children", right?

18. Registries are NOT being updated in a timely fashion, so the public is getting false information! How is this helping the public or protecting them when they cannot rely on them?

19. Registries are putting families and children of sex offenders in a public position to be socially outcast and discriminated against with regard to employment, housing, schooling, etc!

20. About 90% of the people on the registry are NOT violent offenders that these laws were ment for in the first place!

21. These laws cost millions, if not billions to enforce, and they cause prison over-population, which is already a problem, especially in California, and taxpayers pay for all this.

22. GPS does not prevent sexual crimes! Another false sense of security which cost tons of money! Plus the offenders are supposed to pay for this, which will make them eventually go homeless. MAKE THE TAX PAYERS WHO WANT THESE LAWS PAY FOR THEM!

23. These laws cause sex offenders to go underground and into hiding, due to the strict nature of the laws! How is this protecting anyone?

24. These laws are all about money for law enforcement and votes for politicians. Prison is a business! Politicians are salaried and want to get elected/re-elected! Law enforcement get paid for people in jails, prisons or on the registry!

25. These laws blatantly disregard the United States constitutional rights of all citizens! (i.e. ex-post facto, due process & others)

26. These laws are cruel and unusual punishment! A sex offender cannot go to a fast food restaurant which has a playground! Why? They have just as much of a right as you to get a burger! Plus they cannot go anywhere kids congregate. (i.e. Amusement parks, Movie theaters, the list is endless)

27. Sex offenders can go to church, but must leave immediately afterwards. If a sex offender owns a business and someone decides to put a church or school next door, they have to now sell their business and move. This is not right, move the church or school, the sex offender was there first!

28. These laws continue to punish people even after a sentence has been served, and they are trying to get on with their lives! (i.e. ex-post facto)

29. These laws are driven by fear-mongering, opportunistic politicians and will do nothing to actually protect children!

30. There are over one million women and children whose lives are inter-twined with a sex offender in the United States. They should matter too!

31. Follow the money trail, these laws are conveyor-belt laws to benefit law enforcement! They get paid for the number of people in jail, prison or on the registry!

32. They are currently a one-size-fits all for sex offenders! Not all sex offenders are violent offenders that these laws are supposed to be for anyway!

33. They are modern day witch hunts and a Scarlet letter!

34. If sex Offenders are re-offending, why do the registries grow each day? Because new people are being added daily for stuff like "public urination", "mooning", "concensual sex", "young children playing 'Doctor'" and various other minor offenses that we need not worry about. We need to worry about violent offenders!

35. Now they are trying to make it a law that a sex offender, if they have kids, cannot "take a picture" of anyone under 18. This is totally stupid! Can't even take Christmas pictures, birthday pictures, etc!

36. Also, because a sex offender owns a business in town, many people are trying to get the business shut down! The sex offender had the business for awhile. If you don't like it, MOVE!!!!
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Thank you for posting not all sex offenders are some cruel, violent monster who rapes a baby or kills some innocent child. My son, ricky, at 16 went to a teen club for 16-20 year olds and met a girl. She told him she was almost 16. Like normal teens they hooked up and began dating and had sex. Well she ran away from home and Ricky was questioned and told the truth about them. He was informed after siging a statement she was 13. Her folks did not want to press charges but the state D.A. did and Ricky at 17 was charged as an adult on two felony counts of sexual abuse andwas given a deferred (no legal convicton) of two years probation as a sex offender and ten years registry. Well we moved home to Oklahoma where he be safe, since I lost my vision a couple weeks before his arrest and Oklahoma now makes him register as a aggravated Tier 3 high risk offender due to the three year age difference. He is treated horribly and has endured much with this label which has destroyed his life. He no longer is a fun loving kid who trusts the world and here cannot attend church without prior written permission from the pastor by state law. Even church folk though treat him with the words "we must use discretion for our members" and do not openly be warm and gracious to him as if he is one of gods children. Please read our stie www.rickyslife.com or cfciowa.org and sign my petition help me save Ricky and thousands of kids like him. Its estimated thirty percent of the registry are juvenile cases from many years back. Help me fix this inustice and give Ricky back his life, his future his dreams. Thanks Rickys mom Mary rickysmom@rickyslife.com

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I only started to watch the second video and turned it off because of a cuss word! You may want to remove the video.
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Thank you for posting not all sex offenders are some cruel, violent monster who rapes a baby or kills some innocent child. My son, ricky, at 16 went to a teen club for 16-20 year olds and met a girl. She told him she was almost 16. Like normal teens they hooked up and began dating and had sex. Well she ran away from home and Ricky was questioned and told the truth about them. He was informed after siging a statement she was 13. Her folks did not want to press charges but the state D.A. did and Ricky at 17 was charged as an adult on two felony counts of sexual abuse andwas given a deferred (no legal convicton) of two years probation as a sex offender and ten years registry. Well we moved home to Oklahoma where he be safe, since I lost my vision a couple weeks before his arrest and Oklahoma now makes him register as a aggravated Tier 3 high risk offender due to the three year age difference. He is treated horribly and has endured much with this label which has destroyed his life. He no longer is a fun loving kid who trusts the world and here cannot attend church without prior written permission from the pastor by state law. Even church folk though treat him with the words "we must use discretion for our members" and do not openly be warm and gracious to him as if he is one of gods children. Please read our stie www.rickyslife.com or cfciowa.org and sign my petition help me save Ricky and thousands of kids like him. Its estimated thirty percent of the registry are juvenile cases from many years back. Help me fix this inustice and give Ricky back his life, his future his dreams. Thanks Rickys mom Mary rickysmom@rickyslife.com
This was a very sad story. I had wrote earlier on this thread that kids shouldn't have their chances of having a productive life taken away from them because they made some bad decisions. I hope things get better for your son and family.
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Thank you for posting not all sex offenders are some cruel, violent monster who rapes a baby or kills some innocent child. My son, ricky, at 16 went to a teen club for 16-20 year olds and met a girl. She told him she was almost 16. Like normal teens they hooked up and began dating and had sex. Well she ran away from home and Ricky was questioned and told the truth about them. He was informed after siging a statement she was 13. Her folks did not want to press charges but the state D.A. did and Ricky at 17 was charged as an adult on two felony counts of sexual abuse andwas given a deferred (no legal convicton) of two years probation as a sex offender and ten years registry. Well we moved home to Oklahoma where he be safe, since I lost my vision a couple weeks before his arrest and Oklahoma now makes him register as a aggravated Tier 3 high risk offender due to the three year age difference. He is treated horribly and has endured much with this label which has destroyed his life. He no longer is a fun loving kid who trusts the world and here cannot attend church without prior written permission from the pastor by state law. Even church folk though treat him with the words "we must use discretion for our members" and do not openly be warm and gracious to him as if he is one of gods children. Please read our stie www.rickyslife.com or cfciowa.org and sign my petition help me save Ricky and thousands of kids like him. Its estimated thirty percent of the registry are juvenile cases from many years back. Help me fix this inustice and give Ricky back his life, his future his dreams. Thanks Rickys mom Mary rickysmom@rickyslife.com
Oh the state has the right to tell churches who can and who can't volunteer in a church based on sex offender registry laws? Well I think it's time we start a new thread/sub-thread and lets get to the root of this problem....

Question: is your church a 501c3 church? That's the problem and I might add one of the root problems in the church today.
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