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Old 07-28-2008, 01:26 PM
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Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW being...

... abolished. Does anyone have OT scripture that the LAW of God would be abolished or done away with?

We have covenants and then we have the Law of God. God's covenants always reflect his revealed eternal nature/law.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:56 PM
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

God's moral law still stands.
That is eternal.

All that we have in the NT is Grace which not only gives us a remedy for sin, but helps us to live above it.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:09 PM
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

Thanks for the response Ron...

Grace gave us the provision(atonement of Christ). Grace in itself does not save!

I hear all this talk about the "law"(actually it was your debt) was nailed to the cross and done away with yet no "scripture" for it! Especially since "the scriptures" are based on the OT writings.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:17 PM
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

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Old 07-28-2008, 08:24 PM
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

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... abolished. Does anyone have OT scripture that the LAW of God would be abolished or done away with?

We have covenants and then we have the Law of God. God's covenants always reflect his revealed eternal nature/law.
The Law and the covenant are synonymous.

The rules and regulations were are part of that covenant.

If this was not the case then it is a sin to not be circumcised
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God's moral law still stands.
That is eternal.

All that we have in the NT is Grace which not only gives us a remedy for sin, but helps us to live above it.
If one wants to find out what is sin or not you can read it in the NT
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:30 PM
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

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If one wants to find out what is sin or not you can read it in the NT
Yup. Like this verse:

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:32 PM
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The Law and the are synonymous??.

The rules and regulations were are part of that covenant.

If this was not the case then it is a sin to not be circumcised
THe LaW anD WhAt Are SYnonyMouS, GoOD siR?
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Re: Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW bein

Jere 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
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CiRcuMCisioN and the OlD CovenAnt PreDAte the LAW somE 400 YeARs.

PauL TelLS us WHAT thE IntEnt oF THe LaW is In GalAtiAns 3


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15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
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