In The Counsel of Many - Page 11

Bro-Larry · #**101** 07-10-2008, 06:25 PM

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I agree we should NOT be fleeing the devil. God gave us power over the spirits. But I am confused as to why you said since he was not harmed it was not the devil. Explain what you mean by that? IF he was harmed then it would have been the devil? How did you come up with that conclusion.

I didn't mean to leave the impression that it was not the devil.

It's just that, since the devil is a spirit, I don't believe it is possible for him to take physical form and actually do physical injury to a human body. His only weapon or tool is deception. He tries to convince people that he's the big devil with all kinds of power; when in fact, he has none, except what he can trick people into giving him, the way Eve did.

Man had dominion in the earth, in the beginning. (Gen 1:28). Dominion consists of two elements, authority and power. Adam and Eve gave their authority to the devil, but he has no power to exercise that authority, without a body. A dead body has no power to get in a car, drive down to a bank and withdraw money, even if that dead body had an account there, when it was alive. Nobody can operate in the earth, without a body. That's why the devil is always trying to get in somebody. The only way he can physically injure a human body, is to use another live human to do his dirty work.

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P.S. Thinking if I can recall any scripture either way on this, such as when Jesus was tempted by the devil, did he see him? Did he hear him? How did the devil tempt him???

I believe it was spiritual encounter. I believe Jesus saw him by spiritual vision, dream, trance, or open vision. The reason I believe this is because, if Jesus had done anything--anything--the devil suggested, then he would have subragated himself to the lordship of the devil, just like Adam and Eve did. Notice that he would not make bread out of a stone.

The devil simple cannot physically carry or convey anyone away to another location.

Esther · #**102** 07-11-2008, 04:10 PM

Bump!

Bro-Larry · #**103** 07-11-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I agree we should NOT be fleeing the devil. God gave us power over the spirits. But I am confused as to why you said since he was not harmed it was not the devil. Explain what you mean by that? IF he was harmed then it would have been the devil? How did you come up with that conclusion.

P.S. Thinking if I can recall any scripture either way on this, such as when Jesus was tempted by the devil, did he see him? Did he hear him? How did the devil tempt him???

Sister Esther, I so much appreciate the way you respond to a post. If you don't understand or agree with it, you simply ask for a clarification or an explanation. Your above post is an excellent example of what I am trying to say. Thank You, Sister.

Esther · #**104** 07-12-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

Sister Esther, I so much appreciate the way you respond to a post. If you don't understand or agree with it, you simply ask for a clarification or an explanation. Your above post is an excellent example of what I am trying to say. Thank You, Sister.

Thanks Bro Larry, I try to be kind but sometimes I know I must not have understood what the poster was trying to say. But sometimes I lose it

Esther · #**105** 07-13-2008, 05:19 PM

Bump for someone wanting to try and answer some of these questions.

Esther · #**106** 07-15-2008, 05:57 PM

Found this way back on page 6.

Bro-Larry · #**107** 07-15-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

I didn't mean to leave the impression that it was not the devil.

It's just that, since the devil is a spirit, I don't believe it is possible for him to take physical form and actually do physical injury to a human body. His only weapon or tool is deception. He tries to convince people that he's the big devil with all kinds of power; when in fact, he has none, except what he can trick people into giving him, the way Eve did.

I believe it was spiritual encounter. I believe Jesus saw him by spiritual vision, dream, trance, or open vision. The reason I believe this is because, if Jesus had done anything--anything--the devil suggested, then he would have subragated himself to the lordship of the devil, just like Adam and Eve did. Notice that he would not make bread out of a stone.

The devil simple cannot physically carry or convey anyone away to another location.

I see only three possible ways, that the temptation of Jesus could have taken place:

1) In Jesus' mind or in a spiritual vision. (I think this is the more likely way.)

2) the devil would have had to physically transport Jesus to the top of the temple and the top of the mountain. (I don't believe the devil has this power.)

3) or: Jesus had to walk or ride some means of transportation to the places of temptation. (I don't think it is even possible that Jesus would have volunterily cooperated with the devil in the way.)

Esther · #**108** 07-15-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

I see only three possible ways, that the temptation of Jesus could have taken place:

1) In Jesus' mind or in a spiritual vision. (I think this is the more likely way.)

2) the devil would have had to physically transport Jesus to the top of the temple and the top of the mountain. (I don't believe the devil has this power.)

3) or: Jesus had to walk or ride some means of transportation to the places of temptation. (I don't think it is even possible that Jesus would have volunterily cooperated with the devil in the way.)

Interesting thoughts here. I will have to think on number 2 as I'm not sure if he does or not, always thought he did, but not necessarily Jesus or HG filled folks.

It is acknowledge that the mind is the battleground, but to think Jesus could be tempted by satan in His mind, is troubling as well.

Oh, now you done opened up a new can of worms!