What is a Charismatic???

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Since this was denied by some who seem Charismatic to me I would like to hear your definition of Charismatic?
Mine is simple the abandoning of the necessity of the doctrine and the rejection of the outward standards that identify the Apostolic church.
Examples: Heard-Free-Fender-Munsey-such like.

The charismatic movement was not about a bunch of Pentecostals that abandoned standards (an unbiblical term), but was a movement that consisted of Pentecostal type worship, a belief in the gifts, a rejection of the idea that tongues was the evidence of the baptism of the Spirit (any one of the gifts would qualify) that such tongues were really the gift of tongues and generally they were Trinitarian

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Hobart Freeman had some out there teachings such as his anti-doctor doctrine.

You never heard of Apostolics who taught the same? Do you deny he was a "Charismatic"?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The charismatic movement was not about a bunch of Pentecostals that abandoned standards (an unbiblical term), but was a movement that consisted of Pentecostal type worship, a belief in the gifts, a rejection of the idea that tongues was the evidence of the baptism of the Spirit (any one of the gifts would qualify) that such tongues were really the gift of tongues and generally they were Trinitarian

Prax,

As many Charismatics would say tongues ARE the initial evidence as would say any gift will do. Again there is over generalization. But you certainly are right that Charismatic was NOT a movement founded by Oneness Pentecostals looking for an easier way. Most of them I was familiar with did not know what Oneness Pentecostal even was.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Prax,

As many Charismatics would say tongues ARE the initial evidence as would say any gift will do. Again there is over generalization. But you certainly are right that Charismatic was NOT a movement founded by Oneness Pentecostals looking for an easier way. Most of them I was familiar with did not know what Oneness Pentecostal even was.

There may be some lay people or regional leaders of Charismatics that teach that tongues is the initial evidence, but by far, the majority of Charismatics teach any gift will do, including receiving a healing. I have personally heard this teaching from Oral Roberts, Hagin, Copeland, Hickie, etc, and on and on. Jamie Buckingham wrote it in his book that helped define Charismatic doctrine and he taught any gift will do. It was taught that way by the Sanfords--Charismatic leaders in the early days. Even the FGBMF came to teach any gift will do.

As to tongues, they turn it on and off like a water faucet. Most
Apostolics or Pentecostals believe that you should receive an "unction" before speaking on tongues. They will pray UNTIL they pray in tongues. If you asked a Charismatic, please pray in tongues. I want to hear what it sounds like. They could IMMEDIATELY start speaking. The could be watching the super bowl---mind no where near God--and start speaking in tongues at THEIR WILL. No so with most Pentecostals or Apostilics. They might watch the same super bowl, but COULD NOT in good conscience start to immediately pray in the HG. In short, Charismatics believe the HG is responsive to THEIR WILL, Pentecostals and Apostolics believe they have to have a leading or unction to speak in the Holy Ghost.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by U376977

There may be some lay people or regional leaders of Charismatics that teach that tongues is the initial evidence, but by far, the majority of Charismatics teach any gift will do, including receiving a healing. I have personally heard this teaching from Oral Roberts, Hagin, Copeland, Hickie, etc, and on and on. Jamie Buckingham wrote it in his book that helped define Charismatic doctrine and he taught any gift will do. It was taught that way by the Sanfords--Charismatic leaders in the early days. Even the FGBMF came to teach any gift will do.

As to tongues, they turn it on and off like a water faucet. Most
Apostolics or Pentecostals believe that you should receive an "unction" before speaking on tongues. They will pray UNTIL they pray in tongues. If you asked a Charismatic, please pray in tongues. I want to hear what it sounds like. They could IMMEDIATELY start speaking. The could be watching the super bowl---mind no where near God--and start speaking in tongues at THEIR WILL. No so with most Pentecostals or Apostilics. They might watch the same super bowl, but COULD NOT in good conscience start to immediately pray in the HG. In short, Charismatics believe the HG is responsive to THEIR WILL, Pentecostals and Apostolics believe they have to have a leading or unction to speak in the Holy Ghost.

I can speak in tongues at any time, just as easily as speaking in English. The Holy Ghost dwells in me, and I can pray in the Spirit any time I need to. I'm glad I don't have to "work it up" because sometimes I need to pray in the Spirit in an emergency!!! That doesn't make me Charismatic. I know lots of Pentecostal people who can pray in tongues whenever they want/need to.

[Sam]

I've only read a few of the posts in this thread.

My definition of a Charismatic is one that believes in and/or has experienced the charismata (gifts) of the Spirit.

According to my definition, Elder Epley is a Charismatic because he has received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

[ChTatum]

Sam, you sho is smart.....

[steve p]

Sam just keeps it simple......works for me!!!!

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I can speak in tongues at any time, just as easily as speaking in English. The Holy Ghost dwells in me, and I can pray in the Spirit any time I need to. I'm glad I don't have to "work it up" because sometimes I need to pray in the Spirit in an emergency!!! That doesn't make me Charismatic. I know lots of Pentecostal people who can pray in tongues whenever they want/need to.

Then I would consider you an exception. Most of us do not flip on or off the HG like a light switch. I have heard Oral Roberts teaching on this and he will say, "All right, everyone pray in tongues NOW, do it now......now STOP. STOP, pray with the understanding, pray in english. Interpet what you just prayed in your prayer language."

Please read my first post on this thread on pg. 4. I detail several characteristics of Charismatics. I could document them with reference materials if I had the time or interest. And please keep in mind I WAS IN THE MECA OF THE CHARISMATICS at ORU. I probably have heard them preach by the hundreds of hours. I know them. Of course there are exceptions, but to cite and exception to a rule to try to discount the rule is a faulty logic.

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by Sam

I've only read a few of the posts in this thread.

My definition of a Charismatic is one that believes in and/or has experienced the charismata (gifts) of the Spirit.

According to my definition, Elder Epley is a Charismatic because he has received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

Sam,

I like you!!! You make it simple and sweet!