Bishop G E Patterson - fussing thread (see other thread for nice things) - Page 16

Steve Epley · #**151** 03-23-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Close enough!!! Let him in!!

I heard him speak in tongues also I didn't understand a word he said. The man could indeed hoop.

SDG · #**152** 03-23-2007, 10:13 PM

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

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I have a little problem with more faith being put in a specific verse that in the Saviour who's life inspired the need for the verse.
Reciting Acts 2:38 is not a magical incantation that removes all sin.

Acts 2:38 is NOT the gospel message.
Acts 2:38 is not THE saving message.

The saving message is laced throughout the synoptic gospels.
It is the message of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.

What HE did is what saves the world. Acts 2:38 is merely the proper response to his saving action.
It is fitting, and proper, that we place due prominence on the Saviour.

WHEN this happens, in the heart of every new believer, love for the God of the Gospel message will cause a truly repentant sinner to be baptized in Jesus' name. Subsequently, the promise of the Holy Ghost awaits every new believer.

Steve Epley · #**153** 03-23-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

I find your post judgmental God understands if we refuse to obey what he has said it is no big deal. Except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish however God knows you intended to repent so no biggie. Jesus is Santa Claus naughty or not you will NOT get a bundle of switches.

Quoting scripture could be seen as being judgmental so please refrain lest the weak be discouraged how will we win them quoting the Bible?????? Try Schuller or Osteen now there are two non-judgmental folks.

stmatthew · #**154** 03-23-2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You guys are having way too much fun ... can I join ?????

I love the jump through hoops Gospel ... some espouse. Let's make it virtually impossible to be saved and if you think you are then there's got be something you're hiding or not doing ...

Can someone be saved outside of obeying ???

Ephesians 6:4
4Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

or

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not that ye be not judged."

or

James 2

8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[b] also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
Faith and Deeds
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Is not all of God's Word necessary for our salvation??

A great Apostolic once said:

Quote:

I have a little problem with more faith being put in a specific verse that in the Saviour who's life inspired the need for the verse.
Reciting Acts 2:38 is not a magical incantation that removes all sin.

Acts 2:38 is NOT the gospel message.
Acts 2:38 is not THE saving message.

The saving message is laced throughout the synoptic gospels.
It is the message of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.

What HE did is what saves the world. Acts 2:38 is merely the proper response to his saving action.
It is fitting, and proper, that we place due prominence on the Saviour.

WHEN this happens, in the heart of every new believer, love for the God of the Gospel message will cause a truly repentant sinner to be baptized in Jesus' name. Subsequently, the promise of the Holy Ghost awaits every new believer.

Bro, without the proper response to the gospel, there will be no salvation, because the believer has accepted a response that is not biblical.

Its like attempting to drive from TN to FL, and using I-40 in that attempt. You will never arrive at your desired destination unless you go the right way.

Steve Epley · #**155** 03-23-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro, without the proper response to the gospel, there will be no salvation, because the believer has accepted a response that is not biblical.

Its like attempting to drive from TN to FL, and using I-40 in that attempt. You will never arrive at your desired destination unless you go the right way.

You are wrong if they believe I-40 will take them to Miami then it will. Only the judgmental folks would dare say I-40 does not go to Miami. Some are so narrow minded and judgmental that say I-75 or I-95 are the correct hyways to Miami but if you believe in your heart I-40 is correct then to Miami you go.

SDG · #**156** 03-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You are wrong if they believe I-40 will take them to Miami then it will. Only the judgmental folks would dare say I-40 does not go to Miami. Some are so narrow minded and judgmental that say I-75 or I-95 are the correct hyways to Miami but if you believe in your heart I-40 is correct then to Miami you go.

Remind .. me ... Elder ... when we're in heaven ... to recount this thread to the good Bishop ... if only to shoot the breeze and remember old times.

stmatthew · #**157** 03-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You are wrong if they believe I-40 will take them to Miami then it will. Only the judgmental folks would dare say I-40 does not go to Miami. Some are so narrow minded and judgmental that say I-75 or I-95 are the correct hyways to Miami but if you believe in your heart I-40 is correct then to Miami you go.

Elder, you are having waaaaay too much fun!!