Witchcraft = medication

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

I have found out that if people study about it for themselves, then let God give them the answer, you would be better off because by me showing you or anyone else, people would think that I am nuts. That is why I don't show people much about Bible stuff because they need to get the spiritual understanding of it through God. If they don't study it for themselves, then how will they be able to get spiritual understanding of it? They wouldn't be able to.

Well, if you plan on being a pastor someday, you are going to have to learn how to explain things to people, especially when it comes to your beliefs. Telling people, "It's in the Bible. Study it out for yourself", isn't gonna work when pastoring.

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, I have been down the no doctors road of faith, and believe me, it ain't all it's cracked up to be. We got into a car accident when my oldest daughter was almost three years old. Because of our beliefs against going to doctors, none of us went to the emergency room that night. When we woke up the next morning our daughter's ankles were black and blue. I had to take her to the ER at that point. It turned out that both her legs were broken.

Believe me when I tell you that I felt like I had let God down by going to see that doctor. It wasn't until somewhere around the middle of all that we had been going through with getting her legs healed up that I realized that I hadn't let God down and He hadn't let me down either. My faith was in Him through the whole thing, from start to finish.

With that said, it still doesn't change the fact that our first choice when it comes to our health should be Jesus; not science, not medicine, not anything but the Lord. Our first thought needs to be towards him and not the doctors. That is not to say not to go to the doctor, mind you. It's just to say that our trust needs to be in Jesus before the doctors. Are you getting where I am coming from?

I am quite the skeptic when it comes to medication. Let me admit I am not one to take medication for anything except for anti-biotic or steroid here and there for extreme cases but it has nothing to do with my faith.

With every single chemical you put into your body you change it's composition, your body is in a constant state of homeostasis and when you change that by taking a pain killer you set yourself up for other things.

My freshman year in high school I had a bad accident, some kids from another local high school broke their legs in a car accident (because they had stolen a car and were in a high speed chase), when the femur is fractured it bleeds so it is an emergency surgery, so I had to wait a long time before I could go into surgery (I had to have athletic surgery). The entire time I opted out of morphine and other medication because I didn't like the way it felt.

Now, all that being said I find nothing wrong with medication but I do see a lot of problems caused by the over use of it. But again the Bible speaks of doing all in moderation. The secular trend, the feminization, all these issues are caused by an excess of certain natural chemicals.

I just find it ridiculous that people try and rationalize that medication is wrong when it is clear that it is not, the abuse or over use is just as bad as any excessive behavior but there is no Biblical precedent to decisively declare medication unbiblical, and frankly I think it is wrong to do so. You can't just go around saying the Bible says something is wrong when there is no proof that it does, IMO that is just as bad as adding to the Bible.

Originally Posted by Rico

Well, if you plan on being a pastor someday, you are going to have to learn how to explain things to people, especially when it comes to your beliefs. Telling people, "It's in the Bible. Study it out for yourself", isn't gonna work when pastoring.

Bro,

The Lord gave me a revelation about something. Luke was a physician that went with Paul and diagnosed the illnesses and Paul prayed for them and they were healed.

BTW, It would be futile to tell people the truth when they don't want it. i would rather have people that are hungry for the Word and those are the ones that will hear it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

Bro,

The Lord gave me a revelation about something. Luke was a physician that went with Paul and diagnosed the illnesses and Paul prayed for them and they were healed.

Well, that settles it, then. Scripture isn't needed.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

Bro,

The Lord gave me a revelation about something. Luke was a physician that went with Paul and diagnosed the illnesses and Paul prayed for them and they were healed.
BTW, It would be futile to tell people the truth when they don't want it. i would rather have people that are hungry for the Word and those are the ones that will hear it.

You are joking, right?

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

You are joking, right?

Even if he is right, since the WORD does not say so, it can NOT be presented as doctrine.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, that settles it, then. Scripture isn't needed.

Sorry. Didn't see your post.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, that settles it, then. Scripture isn't needed.

It is based on scripture, so if you want to see it for yourself, then study them.

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

Bro,

The Lord gave me a revelation about something. Luke was a physician that went with Paul and diagnosed the illnesses and Paul prayed for them and they were healed.

BTW, It would be futile to tell people the truth when they don't want it. i would rather have people that are hungry for the Word and those are the ones that will hear it.

The truth would be fine to tell, I find your argument just as ridiculous as global warming.

I would agree with you if what you were saying was it is possible, but you are being completely rigid in stating that this is the only possibility, based on scripture that uses a word that clearly has an ambiguous meaning.

You don't acknowledge it could have multiple meanings:

1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


The simple fact that the translators used witchcraft indicates that they even thought it wasn't referring to the administration of medication.

The fact that you even refuse to confront this fact proves you are not in search of truth, but you want to keep propagating an unsupportable stance. If you would actually confront the opposition then I would give you more credit.

But instead you indirectly bash those that actually take a stance that it is possible but unlikely.

Originally Posted by Baron1710

You are joking, right?

No, I am serious.