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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
OK, PP and DA, What exactly would YOU have done to keep the ultra conservatives that left?
Numerically, for what was predicted to "split" an organization, "hasn't made a dent would be correct... a very minute percentage of preachers and members are fully supporting the new org.
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06-15-2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
Not reading very much constuctive criticism on this thread. Personally I see the "vote" which is reputed to be the catalist of the emerging org as a good thing, whether it costs members or not.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-15-2008, 09:52 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
OK, statical reporting can and is often skewed by those who do the numbers. That is a fact in any org. religious or not. But i ask you then, how would you address it were you in the place of organizational leadership? They know full well a fatalistic report can discourage people who may be looking for direction.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-15-2008, 09:57 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
While I am one who has said I think those leaving for the WWPF was the best thing that could happen for both them and the UPC I think threads premise is flawed.
I would imagine that many of the new chruches counted in the Western district are home missions works with just a handful of people while some of the churches that left f were mature ones with many more saints and roots in their communities.
Doesn't mean I am not glad they are gone. Just means I am realistic to know what is going on.
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06-15-2008, 10:02 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
The complete lack of honesty surrounding the fallout from those departing to the WPF is shameful.
This is more than just spin.
This is untruthful manipulation of facts.
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Ummmm......why do you give a care????????????????? You OBVIOUSLY are not UPC. So, anything you have to say doesn't mean a flip. You're just blowing hot air. 
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06-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
It's lying and deceit in some circles.
Some pastors have drunk the koolaid whole.
I know one close pastor friend who has because of this type of propaganda.
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Dan, you'd be better off spending your energy on more productive things for the kingdom than bashing the UPC and Mark. 
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06-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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ummm... last I understood he is UPC (PP correct me if Im wrong)
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06-15-2008, 10:05 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
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Dan, you'd be better off spending your energy on more productive things for the kingdom than bashing the UPC and Mark. |
thanks - He's been pretty hard on me lately
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06-15-2008, 10:06 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
PP,
Do you have the numbers of those who have joined WPF ?
Does anyone ? just curoius
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06-15-2008, 10:25 PM
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Re: CA. Western Dist.aftermath of WPF- hardly a de
Misinformation? Not acceptable.
Ones bias showing? To be expected.
Positive speak from any organizations leaders? To be expected.
Unless you ARE willing to show this has been more than minute percentages of defection, then your claims of false reporting ring hollow and speak more of your own bias and experience (which I don't really comprehend).
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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