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05-21-2008, 08:52 AM
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Re: Trinitarian
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Marginalization?
Who does it more than you, on this forum Dan?
Youre in a class by yourself when it comes to that.
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05-21-2008, 10:20 AM
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Re: Trinitarian
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Over and above? ... how so, Mizpeh? ... some of that was old posts I copy and pasted and some of it is stuff I've said countless times ...
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Having it all in one post made it the Mother of all your rants! 
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05-21-2008, 10:41 AM
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Re: Trinitarian
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In some ways I agree w/ the thrust of your post ... however the nuances I believe are more signficant ... and enduring
I have observed that 3 step theology ...
often focuses on a works-based/produced theology that extends usually to other salvific religious activiities such as dress standard and even salvific tithing ...
The experience becomes more important than the relationship quite often ... in some of these circles ...
Repentance ... in which 3 steppers say we are forgiven but our sins not washed/remitted/blotted away is not a one time event ... and this often is lost in the "recipe" for salvation view ...
It often relegated to a trip to the altar .... Is the measure of repentance when someone goes to an altar? Where is THAT in the bible?
Repentance is a lifestyle of total surrender and turning to Christ for our salvation ...
Peter the preacher at Pentecost expounded in Acts 3:
19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord
A heart born through faith is not a simple prayer ... a teary eyed confession at an altar ... it is a genuine ... all-out turning to God ... a commitment to surrender all that we are and all we have and die so that he reigns in our hearts ... so he can dress us in His righteousness. Biblical faith/trust/ belief is clinging to Him for our salvation. Some in our movement have focused, with good reason, on the revelation we've been given as to his divinity, his command in to baptize under the authority of His name, and the wondrous gift of the baptism of the Holy Ghost as expressed by the gift of tongues ... all effects of His salvation living through us. However, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the center of it all
Also the infilling of the Holy Spirit w/ evidence of tongues becomes a number we count at rallies, campmeetings, conferences ... and a sign for finally being saved when in Scripture ... this is NOT THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT....
Lastly there is an incredible amount of faith required to solely rely on Christ for our salvation ... saved by grace through faith so that we cannot boast ...
It's liberating and a somber cornerstone to the Gospel that I believe is something we don't focus enough on ....
Sadly as generations pass in our movement many of our young people think they are saved simply because of what they've done ... and how they look ... it's a sad reality.
Lastly the radicalization of our message has caused many to view the entire Church as lost and not part of the body
Our Apostolic pioneers did not view Trinitarians as lost or not saved. Some today are trampling on this part of our heritage. |
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I would also add that the works based view of salvation whether it be standards or the tongues or hell doctrine has shut heavens door to many who either don't see the Scripture for holiness dressing or get frustrated when they do not speak in tongues right away.
Many have walked out our doors thinking they are unsaveable ... because of our focus. ... and would never dare attend another church because they've been drilled that anything else is paganistic/demonic and does not have ALL TRUTH.
How many souls who who have been regenerated and accepted by Christ ... leave frustrated
because they have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking .... but go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hush puppy eyes and a wince if they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. the feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...
Just because some are obsessed w/ counting to see who is in the ship ... and who is out ...
Some sink deeper in sin because of our presentation of the Gospel.
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Having it all in one post made it the Mother of all your rants! |
So you thought THIS WAS THE MOTHER OF ALL RANTS?
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05-21-2008, 10:52 AM
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Re: Trinitarian
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So you thought THIS WAS THE MOTHER OF ALL RANTS?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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05-22-2008, 01:48 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Trinitarian
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All I asked for was a simple explanation of oneness and trinitairinism.....and it turned into an argument......Im sure glad I didnt ask some of these people ( and you know who you are) what it took to know Jesus. I think its time I left this forum before I forget what being saved is really about. Blessings to you all....
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trinitarianism. There is One God in being and nature but three persons...
To give a visual que imagine one Human being that is three persons...three persons all sharing the same being (existence) and nature (all the attributes that make a human a human)
Oneness. There is One God in being, nature AND person.
Trinitarianism. One of the three persons, namely the Son, became Human at the incarnation while not ceasing to being God in nature and being, the human was prominent while here on earth due to the Divine nature being latent in Him (Kenosis)
Oneness....same as above with the exception that it was the ONE person, namely God or Yahweh who became the Son when He became human
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-22-2008, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by steve p;468246[COLOR=sienna
]All I asked for was a simple explanation of oneness and trinitairinism[/color].....and it turned into an argument......Im sure glad I didnt ask some of these people ( and you know who you are) what it took to know Jesus. I think its time I left this forum before I forget what being saved is really about. Blessings to you all....
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Steve,
A "simple explanation" of Oneness and Trinitarianism is practically impossible on a single thread of this or any forum. It's a multi-faceted issue. That's why some of us here provided you with links to various reference sources to study the matter more in depth.
Hopefully you found that information to be helpful.
Blessings to you.
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05-22-2008, 02:52 PM
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ultra con (at least here)
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Re: Trinitarian
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Steve,
A "simple explanation" of Oneness and Trinitarianism is practically impossible on a single thread of this or any forum. It's a multi-faceted issue. That's why some of us here provided you with links to various reference sources to study the matter more in depth.
Hopefully you found that information to be helpful.
Blessings to you.
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So true !!!
Hard to give a simple answer to something with so many variations and which theologians have argued over for nearly 2,000 years.
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