13Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
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H1, we agree. seperation doesnt save. being seperated from the world is no "sacrement"
that doesnt mean that saved people are free to live and act as the rest of the world do. there are places saved people dont go. There are things saved people dont do.
What seems to be in voge these days is, us saved people should have no restraint. That our lives ought to look like everyone else. I reject that entirely.
Ferd, we agree in this. I believe that separation refers to not partaking of what the world does that makes them 'worldly'.
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Re: How SEPARATE was JESUS?
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There's nothing wrong with discrediting Apostolic beliefs. Some of them need discrediting. I'd rather discredit them to bring about positive change so we can get back to the Biblical beliefs that are so very important to our salvation.
Ah round and round the issue we go, Study study study, Jesus told them of his day that they study the scriptures to find eternal life but they the scriptures only spoke of him. We can't do any thing to be saved but have faith. All the things we call sin is a list made up by men just as the pharisee did. They started out with the right idea but became legalistic. Jesus should be our example not the by laws of church organizations.
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H1, we agree. seperation doesnt save. being seperated from the world is no "sacrement"
that doesnt mean that saved people are free to live and act as the rest of the world do. there are places saved people dont go. There are things saved people dont do.
What seems to be in voge these days is, us saved people should have no restraint. That our lives ought to look like everyone else. I reject that entirely.
Ferd, we agree in this. I believe that separation refers to not partaking of what the world does that makes them 'worldly'.
So who defines what is worldly and what is not? Most every one takes scriptures out of context does, not know the customs of the day in which the word was written, yet preach things are sin in our day based on the way they see a verse that is pulled out of context. I know I did just that for over 25-30 years of my life.
in response YES JESUS did go to where the sinner was to preach the gospel and love but he didn;t practice what they did---big difference---
Why is it that the conservative response always has to have that qualifier/disclaimer attached to it (bolded above)? Has ANYONE EVER even suggested that He did or that we should? Being where sinners are (streets, bars, dance clubs, jails, etc.) is where He was and would be today, and is where we should be. I don't think even the most liberal among us would advocate that we should "join in on the fun" or partake of their sinful indulgences. Gimme a break! I just don't understand why we're so fearful that someone would take this the wrong way. Don't we have the Spirit to lead us and speak to us? Do we really think that everyone is so spiritually immature and weak that they can't possibly be wise and discerning enough to know that sin is wrong - whatever the form? Someone help me here, please!
In this thread, the responses from the conservative position have mainly been either personal (ad hominem) attacks on the character and agenda of the man who started this thread, or statements like the one above. Let's move away from milk and childishness, and let's have a real feast on the Word and the Bread of Life!!!
1 Corinthians 13.11 - When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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