It's a sad day for Apostolics that...

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I believe that this thread is being offered as the anti-thesis of the other thread.

This thread is making the point that the other thread missed the point.

The point of the other thread is to antagonize and provoke the TV lovers among us. It's working quite nicely, thankyouverymuch.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by harleypreacher

I'm not saying the internet, satellite radio or cell phones are evil, I have all of them. I'm just stating that all forms of technology can be used for evil. We can't say absents of the TV is holiness anymore.

In the Tampa Conference, ministers were standing and voicing their opinion on revolution number 4, and they kept referring to TV as a holiness issue. Why is it only TV? I will not preach against TV in my church, when people can get on the internet and watch Fox News, CNN, and very sitcom and soap on the networks. Why is TV a holiness issue and the internet is not? All because it’s in our precious manual and we have to sign an affirmation statement saying we agree with it every year. The church world outside the UPC look at us foolishly because we are so strong against TV and use all other types of technology.

Very well said. You cannot legislate holiness. Making rules is not going to do the job if a person is inclined to do what they want to do anyway and not discipline their flesh. On the other hand, Daniel lived in Babylon and maintained his righteousness, as did Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Unfortunately, many of today's generation of UPC leaders seems to think that loosening up on any of the anti-TV rules of the past would be a form of compromise, or departure from the holiness ways left to us by the previous generation. This they would view as a form of betrayal of the heritage left to us, and the beginning of, or an indication of, backsliding. I dont see this as being the case, but tradition is a strong thing overcome.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Yes sir. Preach it. It is nothing for young guys and some girls to have porn videos on their cell phones. They have access and we can't stop them from getting it.

He must identify this problem and teach the damaging effects that pornography has on our lives and those that we have relationships with. Not to mention the lives of those who are making these videos.

The minute I saw that I was was paying for bandwidth on someone's cell phone for porn - or any video for that matter would be the very minute that a cell phone met with sudden destruction.

With Verizon you can go online and check all calls coming into all phones on your plan. I don't spy on my kids- I'm too busy; but I've made certain they know how easy it is for me and their mother to pull out phone and Internet logs.