The AntiChrist and Rapture Fraud?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Bro Blume,

My understanding of the end times is similar to Deacon's.

I'm curious how you interpret the prophecies of the Messiah? They seem to be literally understood by the apostles. Why would you spiritualize the prophecies of the His second coming?

Now there is a thought nearly every OT prophecy was LITERALLY fulfilled BUT all NT prophecies are metaphors and symbols.
Behold a virgin shall concieve. The fun they would have with that.
He was wounded for our trangressions. and the list goes on.

He went away in a literal body in a literal cloud and he is returning the SAME as he went away.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Now there is a thought nearly every OT prophecy was LITERALLY fulfilled BUT all NT prophecies are metaphors and symbols.

Incorrect, brother.


There are BOTH Old Testament prophecies that are metaphors as well as literal, and the same goes for the New Testament.

And I have not shown any reference in the New Testament that refers to the second coming to be a metaphor. The coming of the Lord in Matt 24 is NOT the second coming which is the rapture. It is ONLY a coming of the Lord in destruction against Jerusalem and israel.

I have detailed this before to you, and I would appreciate it so blessedly much if you keep this in mind next time, so as to avoid misrepresentation of what we believe and teach.

Watch:

METAPHOR:

Isa 11:1 KJV And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Jer 23:5 KJV Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Zec 3:8 KJV Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

LITERAL:

Isa 7:14 KJV Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

And regarding the New Testament:

LITERAL:

1Co 15:23 KJV But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Th 4:15-17 KJV For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Joh 5:28-29 KJV Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

He went away in a literal body in a literal cloud and he is returning the SAME as he went away.

Exactly! When did I ever say otherwise?

But for you to say there are NO symbolic scriptures in the Old Testament about Jesus' FIRST coming is to simply misrepresent the BIBLE!

Isa 40:3-4 KJV The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (4) Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'll indulge you.

So, where are we now? Is this the thousand year reign of Christ? It seems u r saying that prohecy has been fulfilled. What's left? Why are we still here?

You have not yet responded to my points. Let's not ask OTHER questions in response to verses we cannot answer. Let's seek to answer what we've been given by others. Please explain to me why daniel was told to seal the book since the time of the end was not yet come, and John was told to not seal them since the time was at hand. Please explain why this was stated when Daniel lived only 500 years before John? THAT would truly be indulging me.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Bro Blume,

My understanding of the end times is similar to Deacon's.

I'm curious how you interpret the prophecies of the Messiah? They seem to be literally understood by the apostles. Why would you spiritualize the prophecies of the His second coming?

Thanks for you kindly-asked question.

I have not spiritualized the prophecies of the second coming. The prophecies of the second coming are all literal in the New Testament as far as I can tell. There may be a couple that are spiritualized. But the references in Matt 24 and Luke 21 are not speaking about the second coming. The coming in destruction in Matt 24 and Matt 21 and Luke 21 are not the second coming. The second coming is mentioned in John 5, 1 Cor 15, 1 Thess 4, Acts 24, Hebrews 9, amongst other places.

[SDG]

bumperooski

[mfblume]

I did some YOUTUBE videos on this issue. Dare to watch? lol I share exactly what Daniel mentioned at the start of this thread. Right on, Daniel!

WHAT IS THE ANTICHRIST?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WZ1TS1BKbpk

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And this next video begins a series about what the GENUINE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST is about - THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. LEGALISM!

6 Short videos.

I think the devil sidetracked folks away from the truth towards some sort of mythical world dominator, since it is actually the original temptation to man found in the forbidden tree . My lessons show how CHRISTIANS still partake of the forbidden fruit.

http://youtube.com/user/mfblume2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8rWwQOpZ8

[Scott Hutchinson]

Maybe this might help somebody here.
http://upwardcall.net/rapture.html

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Now there is a thought nearly every OT prophecy was LITERALLY fulfilled BUT all NT prophecies are metaphors and symbols.
Behold a virgin shall concieve. The fun they would have with that.
He was wounded for our trangressions. and the list goes on.

He went away in a literal body in a literal cloud and he is returning the SAME as he went away.

Interesting that Jesus did not appear to the Apostle Paul in a literal body..the same one He left with those of Acts 1:11 were the last witnesses to see that glorified body Jesus left with..and no one has seen it since or ever will on this earth..God no longer needs the body of Jesus today!The mission has been accomplished!! the blood was shed..the blood was provided and the body entered the Holy of Holies..to present the sacrafice FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!..The last enemy to be destroyed was death..and this is a done deal!!!..

[mfblume]

That body sits on the throne of David, the right hand position of power, in glory today. The most oft-quoted Old Testament verse in the New is Psalm 110:1. He sits at the right hand throne now, ruling in the midst of His enemies. A body sits.