I agree, Dan.
The NCO doesn't have a Youth Dept and FMD, ect.
There are no dues and no Conferences. It exsits in name.
The NCO doesn't have a National HQ's, no "council" and chairperson.
The NCO doesn't use the UPC mailing list to push it's agenda....
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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor
I can confirm that this has been passed.
Members of the UPC will not be allowed to carry dual memberships.
This will be enforced by the District Boards.
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Originally Posted by bishoph
You are very correct in stating that it has indeed passed and it is up to the District to enforce as they see fit.
Legally the UPCI will have a long arduous road to legally enforcing such a ruling, unless they enforce it upon AWCF, IAF, and other "fellowship" association members as well. JMHO
Also according to the bylaws of the UPCI this "ruling" is not binding unless it is brought to the body for ratification, but this has not always been followed in the past.
Thank you gentlemen for confirming.
I was unaware of the need for ratification. In all fairness we would have to see the wording of this resolution to see if it singles out the WPF or if it addresses the other pseudo-orgs.
Also, does anyone know who led the charge for this measure at the meetings? ... I have a hunch that the cheif apologist, DB, either led the charge or was instrumental.
This lays the groundwork to the cat and mouse game I think LB and his posse were planning for in the beginning ... now they WPF will cry "murder" .... and will play victim. If anything the manner in which all of this has been planned is political genius. The WPF will forever claim they were singled out and martyrs for the Holiness cause.
Now LB's next move will be to play this big time .... expect a series of letters ,and maybe a website announcement, crying about this decision. If not by them but by sychophants.
The org in it's zeal will of course make it worse ... by publishing it's reasons for this ...
then it's starts to get ugly because the lines will now be drawn ... no more limbo.
Herein also lies another difference w/ the NCO ...other than the re-directing of funding from the mothership by the WPF.
RULES FOR MEMBERSHIP THAT IMPLY ONE IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE WPF:
Section 1. Membership
1. Individuals seeking membership:
a) The provided WPF application must be completely filled out and signed by applicant.
b) We highly recommend that every member who is not under a pastor’s direct ministry have an Accountability Group of at least three members whose names shall be entered on the Membership Application form in the space provided.These three ministers will make up the member’s “Accountability Group.”
c) In the event that questions or violations concerning a member’s life or doctrine be brought to the attention of the Executive Council, the Council shall, in turn, contact that member’s Accountability Group. The Accountability Group shall then investigate the situation.
i. The Executive Chairman shall work with the Accountability Group to establish the date and location of the investigation.
ii. If one or more members of the Accountability Group cannot attend the investigation, the Executive Chairman shall appoint a member or members of the EC or GC to be a part of the investigation.
iii. The Accountability Group shall report to the Executive Council in writing. The EC will make the final decision, based on the written report on said member’s continuing membership, or any other disciplinary action they may deem to be necessary.
d) If actions taken by the member’s Accountability Group and the Executive Council are considered unsatisfactory by either the member in question or the individual(s) making the accusation, the following actions shall then be taken:
2. Pay the monthly membership fee of $60.00 on a quarterly basis, that is $180.00 in a timely manner.
Enlighten me on the AMA for it was before my time. Did they offer youth camps and conventions in place of ALJC events? Did they offer mission programs as a alternative to ALJC events?
Herein lies the difference IMO between ministerial associations and organizations. The WPF is certainly offering alternatives to UPCI events (Bible Quizzing is another example) I think when you have boards, structure, dues, etc... I find it hard to compare the ministerial association to organizational structure of the WPF. Is there any association that any man has joined in the past that is parallel to where we are now with the WPF? On top of that, the WPF has also required that their Executive Chairman not be a member of any other organization. I don't hear anyone saying that is a colossal mistake. If the chairman only holds the position for 2 yrs as required it means as a new one is installed, he must give up his license to any other organization as well.
Please understand that is not an argumentative response. I am sincerely looking forward to response.
Well this certainly makes sense!
__________________ Mrs. LPW
Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
The Book of 2 Kings 2: 11-13 (NEW AFF INTERNET VERSION)
And it came to pass, as they still posted on, and talked about current events, that, behold, a big red limo appeared, with a big Hammond organ, and parted them both asunder; and Thad went in a California earthquake to that big newsroom in the sky.
And Daniel A. saw it, and he posted about it, saying "Relaible sources tell me about this new BOMBSHELL!" And he wrote about Thad no more: but went back to AFF to discuss the pros of the 1 step veiw. And he thumped of his own chest, and, with a voice of thunder, cried, "I'm more Apostolic than you all!"
He took up also the mantle of Thad that fell from him, and went back and posted the latest news on the Apostolic Friends Forum.
One-Step Dan had the mantle of reliability all along .... who broke the UPCI business meeting and gave the play-by-play?
Truth be told ....
Quite frankly there were times Thad was green w/ envy in the last year when I outscooped him on some of the big stories.
I was unaware of the need for ratification. In all fairness we would have to see the wording of this resolution to see if it singles out the WPF or if it addresses the other pseudo-orgs.
Also, does anyone know who led the charge for this measure at the meetings? ... I have a hunch that the cheif apologist, DB, either led the charge or was instrumental.
This lays the groundwork to the cat and mouse game I think LB and his posse were planning for in the beginning ... now they WPF will cry "murder" .... and will play victim. If anything the manner in which all of this has been planned is political genius. The WPF will forever claim they were singled out and martyrs for the Holiness cause.
Now LB's next move will be to play this big time .... expect a series of letters ,and maybe a website announcement, crying about this decision. If not by them but by sychophants.
The org in it's zeal will of course make it worse ... by publishing it's reasons for this ...
then it's starts to get ugly because the lines will now be drawn ... no more limbo.
Dan,
God is using you in the gift of prophecy.
I predict that within 5 years the WPF's story will not be that they left but that they were forced to leave.
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