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Old 03-12-2007, 06:20 PM
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If there is true repentance; then why wouldn't he be treated with much love and respect as was posted by two other posters who watched their churches deal with AIDS?

Why doesn't he unequivicably say that even a monagamous homosexual relationship is a sin?

And what kind of churches was he going to where parents did not care for and comfort their child because of a pride issue?

I think time will tell....
Newman, we have been on the opposite side of a few issues, but I am with you on this one.

I think the "clarification" could have been a little "clarificationer" than it was.
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:33 PM
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I think the "clarification" could have been a little "clarificationer" than it was.
Forgive the intrusion, but I desire to speak to this issue. The posters who have approached this with caution have a reason to do so. It has nothing to do with not praying for someone in need, nor does it indicate a lack of compassion. Apparently some have not been burned by those who claim to have a ministry toward homosexuals and state they are against "the lifestyle."

This is nothing against the original poster, but consider that what you read and hear may not at all be what is meant.

You may hear someone write strongly against a homosexual lifestyle. They will emphatically state they are against it. It may seem all so crystal clear that they are fully condemning homosexuality as sin, just as is evidenced in posts here by those who have not been burned. But what is really meant by the statement? One cannot take the statements at face value in today's world.

An individual used to do this very thing and was active in multiple groups. He said things in a very deceptive way, knowing the Christians reading would take the statements to mean he felt homosexuality was wrong and a sin, just like them. What he meant by the lifestyle was NOT homosexuality itself, but the all too often partying, drinking and drugs, along with multiple partners, that often goes with the territory. He was by no means against a one on one homosexual lifestyle and all the time while writing everyone, he was with his gay partner from childhood days. And at least later, if not during that time, he had a Meth habit as did the partner.

This person deliberately deceived a great many people. He had a ministry toward homosexuals, too. When that ministry isn't nailed down in definition, many unsuspecting Christians are lead to believe a lie. What is said is not what they think. The gay ministry wasn't leading people from homosexuality, just the wild life side of the lifestyle. It in fact condoned a faithful homosexual relationship.

Still don't think people have the right to be cautious in this area? Read further and see just how far the deception can go.

The person claimed to be the son of a Pentecostal Holiness minister, with a sister/b-i-l who also was PH. He claimed to have repented of his lifestyle. Yes, he had AIDS. Still does. He claimed to be a minister, working with a church that ministered to gays and did not condone the lifestyle. He would fly places to be with those on their deathbed or attend their funerals.

Then he became very ill, or so he said. Things were touch and go. Nothing was heard from him for awhile. Then the emails came saying he had died. Searches for the so-called minister father/mother pulled up nothing. Even for the sister and her husband. And the brothers. No death record could be found.

Then he became even more deceptive and posed as his own sister, rejoining a board, and reminiscing about himself. People sent sympathy cards. After a little while he was silent. So many were grieved over the loss of a man they thought was someone they were not.

And time goes by.

Then posts were seen in other places by the "dead" man. Explicit gay pictures and profiles were discovered online of this dead man, being accessed and even started after his death. One who had contact with the man's partner claimed the partner stated they were the one doing it and had their reasons and that the man was truly dead. We should all just let it go. It was asked if the "church people" knew these things.

Very little happened for awhile.

Then the dead man came out with his own domain and web site late last year and announced his marriage to this partner (did it in Canada). Many pictures are on the site, indicating anything but a Pentecostal Holiness mother. Just how deep did the deception go? Perhaps only God will ever know the answer. Perhaps it was him all along, while he was "alive," sharing with us as his relatives.

Not yet convinced of what this means? Consider the following.

Someone confesses their past homosexual lifestyle, shares about their ministry to gay people, and states they are against the lifestyle and have full blown AIDS as a result of their past. What harm could be done? Wake up to things go on behind the scenes. This man was encouraging more than one individual toward one on one homosexuality. Those people knew his deception in how he portrayed himself, but remained silent (which is understandable as they would have been outed). One woman left her husband and went to live with a woman 'partner' met via the internet after contact with this man.

So you say that's just one story. Far from it. There's more, even from the Houston area. Came across another with AIDS who also had a ministry to homosexuals and a UPCI background. Claimed they were no longer gay. Yet there were explicit pictures and gay profiles found online quite easily. The man just couldn't recall everything to take them down. Yep. Sure.

Have compassion? Absolutely. Pray for the people. Definitely. Minister to them? Of course. Believe everything said when it's not nailed down what they mean? No way. Never, ever again.

Words don't always mean what they appear to say. If a person cannot come clean and explicitly state what is meant, don't condone or give God's speed to their "ministry."
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:37 PM
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Newman, we have been on the opposite side of a few issues, but I am with you on this one.

I think the "clarification" could have been a little "clarification" than it was.
I just logged back onto this forum with great hesitation. I felt that I was losing my anonymity the more I shared my life here on this thread. Like many of you, I enjoyed being just another poster who loved God and wanted fellowship and maybe a good debate with other people of the same faith.

I wrote in an email recently to Rhoni explaining how much joy I received by being chosebyone because I didn't have to feel ashamed of what people saw when they looked at me. I know there are other forums on the web, but you guys were special.

Before, I fill in some "holes" that some brothers feel are necessary in order to get to the dirt (pun intended). I wanted to address those who showed Christ in their posts. I was touched by many of your posts and certainly appreciated reading that you would pray for me. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but I never asked for any focus to be on me.

Turn those prayers to the ones who don't have the assurance of their salvation. I found that I have so much to be thankful for everyday of my life. The Lord told us that if we were to draw near to him, that he would draw near to us. That particular scripture has been played out so beautifully in my life.

I shared earlier that I was an AIDS care team leader at Life Tabernacle starting in 1991 and Bishop Kilgore was my pastor. If you ask around you can verify the facts. As far as witnessing the children of UPC and other apostolic Christians' pass away without their parents, you may contact Ray Highfield for he knew many that I referred to earlier.

I'm a child of God and there would be no reason on earth for me to jeopardize my salvation by spinning lies here on this forum. Would you like for me forward my medical records to you so you could be satisfied that I have AIDS? For goodness sakes!

I'll close this post by saying that I am a real person, I am a child of God, I am a sinner saved by grace, I am fortunate to have a friend in Jesus, I am a Christian who has AIDS.

I almost left out the "dirt" part. I wouldn't want to disappoint anyone! I don't know why certain people couldn't figure it out but wanted me to say it, but here it goes...I indeed was infected with HIV by having sex with another man. As embarrassing it was for me to say that, I hope it puts all this to rest. I have been delivered and I'm forgiving.

My salvation doesn't lie in the hands of men for surely they would condemn me to death. Thank God that he is my judge and he is my friend and at this point in life that's all that really matters to me.

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Old 03-12-2007, 08:42 PM
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I understand your point and thanks for clarifying the difference. I guess you do have to read between the lines which is sometimes not easy to do when words are so carefully chosen so that the casual reader would not pick up on this. I typically don't read things as a lawyer would read them maybe that's the difference
anyhow, what I see here though (if i understood right) is we have a man that is terminal . if a person is hurting and dying let's set the other things aside such as Howhe contracted it and try give the person a chance to make his peace with God
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:50 PM
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if a person is hurting and dying let's set the other things aside such as How he contracted it
Agreed. Personally, I don't care how it was contacted. What is believed about a homosexual lifestyle is what matters after seeing so very much deception. Simply stating one is against it no longer does it as in this area, people know all too well how to play with words. And again, my post isn't about chosenbyone, but about gay ministries in general.
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:54 PM
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Agreed. Personally, I don't care how it was contacted. What is believed about a homosexual lifestyle is what matters after seeing so very much deception. Simply stating one is against it no longer does it as in this area, people know all too well how to play with words. And again, my post isn't about chosenbyone, but about gay ministries in general.
that's good to know. I was under the impression that all gay ministries was against it , especially if they call themselves christian evangelical or conservative. there are some in the Bay area that I know that are not but they are mainline or open liberal and quite upfront about it
was chosen one clear on where he stood on this ?
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:59 PM
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Interesting read on AOL, chosenbyone, made under your AIM ID:

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What you do in the dark while come to the light. It's ironic that the ones who take such a strong stance on an issue are the ones who hide and do the very things that they oppose. I'm a gay christian man and I've dealt with many pastors and evangelists who spewed their hatred upon gays and lesbians. After years of my involvement in the ministry, I can you that many, many homosexuals are in ministry in some of the most conservative churches. It's time in America to focus on what God really is and that is love. Shame on those who don't demonstrate the very priniciple of love thy neighbor. All those wolves in sheeps' clothing while be exposed! Beware Jerry Falwell and all you other hateful ministers of another god!
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Found here at: http://journals.aol.com/thefeedblog/...rom-grace/2415
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:00 PM
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I really, really, do not care for deception in this area. Now you can see why certain words were not written.
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:02 PM
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I really, really, do not care for deception in this area. Now you can see why certain words were not written.
this quote that you just posted was from someone who went by choose love40
this person here goes by chosenbyone. are you sure they are the same ?
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IAs embarrassing it was for me to say that, I hope it puts all this to rest. I have been delivered and I'm forgiven
You are a courageous man ... Chosen.....

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Stay strong .... keep the faith.
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