Tulsa Report Day One

[Barb]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

And this harms you, how? This affects the harvest in your field. how?
If these men fellowship together, preach truth, support missions, have revival, refrain from speaking evil of the UPC, then why do you care?

To date the only accusations I have seen have come from leadership on one side of this issue. I have read that the WPF "will come to naught" but have not seen in any of the WPF materials the "leave the UPC now because it is on the road to perdition" quote you use.

Maybe you can point me to where on their website or mail outs anything negative is said about the UPCI?

Bash the UPCI?! They wouldn't be so blatant, but sectarian?! That's another issue.

From the WPF site...

"The Preamble of the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship is an articulation of its general intent and purpose. The formation of WPF is an outgrowth of the changing times and directions within the North American apostolic movement and is the result of a constellation of events and decisions which have shaped apostolic direction for some time—some, we fear, for the worse, and ours hopefully for the better."

In other words, our way is the better way...'we' are right and 'they' are wrong.

Strange isn't it?! The only 'us' and 'them' that used to go on was between 'us' and Trinitarians.

And this...

"WPF is an honest attempt to embrace and work with any and all authentic Apostolics..."

Who are the authentic Apostolics?!

Who is qualified to make that distinction?!

Listen...one of the wives of the Tulsa Six spoke to a friend of mine in her church and said, "You know who your friends are!!"

So if folks disagree with them, they are no longer firends?!

They drew the line here...

[papapraiz]

Thank You!

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Sunni

Co-exist peacefully...

Not off to a good start...some of the UPC letter writing has been disheartening from an organization that I have loved...

All involved might say, and want to co-exist peacefully, but sooner or later, that will be a dream from the past.

I wonder if the leaders of the 'organizations' will confer with each other when it's time to schedule meetings for the year? And are the ministers of the new 'organization' going to support both 'organizations'?

Seems impossible to me that the ministers can support both 'organizations'. It will get mighty expensive after a while. And if their views are so different that they will form another group, then, probably, the UPCI will be left behind eventually.

[Melody]

After last years youth congress I want an alternative for my children.
Is it wrong to want your children to hold dear the same things you were taught as a child? Earlier someone mentioned that things will just go more liberal, I don't want that, I want to grow closer to Godly principles.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Melody

After last years youth congress I want an alternative for my children.
Is it wrong to want your children to hold dear the same things you were taught as a child? Earlier someone mentioned that things will just go more liberal, I don't want that, I want to grow closer to Godly principles.

No, of course this isn't wrong, and was even spoken to me as being the main reason for the new org.

However, these same folk have long ago stopped allowing their youth to attend youth camps and such, choosing to conduct their own events.

So some things just don't make sense...

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Melody

After last years youth congress I want an alternative for my children.
Is it wrong to want your children to hold dear the same things you were taught as a child? Earlier someone mentioned that things will just go more liberal, I don't want that, I want to grow closer to Godly principles.

Melody, it is absolutely not wrong for us to want for our children what we were taught, and what we've taught them. I hold these same biblical principles dear also. What I'm saying is, I just don't think these two 'organizations' will always fellowship, as a whole. Maybe for a while, but not always.

I hope I am proven wrong. I said once before........I just hate the thought of never hearing Bro Booker, and others, preach again at our campmeeting. These men of God have always been such a blessing to us, and have for years.

I just hope they didn't leave too quick.

[pelathais]

I had to be away from the board last night so I missed the play-by-play. Reading the through the thread I got the impression from reports on Tulsa that thare were about 1,000 in attendance and about 80% of that crows was "preachers."

Is that tally correct? Too high, too low? Brother Craft preached but nothing was said about the message. What tone did he take? Anything noteworthy said?

Just trying to catch up here. Thanks.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Melody

After last years youth congress I want an alternative for my children.
Is it wrong to want your children to hold dear the same things you were taught as a child? Earlier someone mentioned that things will just go more liberal, I don't want that, I want to grow closer to Godly principles.

What specifically did you see that was wrong with last year's Youth Congress?

I know they tried some new things; you would expect some of those things to be received well and others not to be repeated. What things did you have a problem with?

[revrandy]

Co-Exist is interesting...

for the most part the some of the WD brethern don't allow their kids to participate in district functions...they have their own camps, and last year their own camp meeting...

they don't preach folks who preach for Pastors they consider more liberal....

I think CO-Exist means you can still buy my books, have me preach for you and we can use your name....but fellowship..."well we choose WHO we will fellowship based upon our "Preferred Apostolic" future.....we won't preach folks like Mangun, Haney or Stoneking and any others we deem not "Preferred"....

But there are some up and coming folks we would like to have join our group...

we can co-exist but will only do so at arms length...

There is a reason they aren't slamming the UPC or any other....they can't afford to....

imo....

[Barb]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Co-Exist is interesting...

for the most part the some of the WD brethern don't allow their kids to participate in district functions...they have their own camps, and last year their own camp meeting...

they don't preach folks who preach for Pastors they consider more liberal....

I think CO-Exist means you can still buy my books, have me preach for you and we can use your name....but fellowship..."well we choose WHO we will fellowship based upon our "Preferred Apostolic" future.....we won't preach folks like Mangun, Haney or Stoneking and any others we deem not "Preferred"....

But there are some up and coming folks we would like to have join our group...

we can co-exist but will only do so at arms length...

There is a reason they aren't slamming the UPC or any other....they can't afford to....

imo....

Originally Posted by Barb

No, of course this isn't wrong, and was even spoken to me as being the main reason for the new org.

However, these same folk have long ago stopped allowing their youth to attend youth camps and such, choosing to conduct their own events.

So some things just don't make sense...

Two great minds, Randy...