Tulsa Report Day One

[Sunni]

Originally Posted by CC1

If they stay positive and continue to avoid UPC bashing AND if the UPC does not knee jerk overreact and try to ban the new org. then they might just be able to co-exist peacefully. It will be a real test though because old time Oneness Pentecost does not have a history of being tolerant of competing organizations. A lot of token gestures but not much else over the years.

Co-exist peacefully...

Not off to a good start...some of the UPC letter writing has been disheartening from an organization that I have loved...

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I agree if that many pull out... However, I believe that only about half of that number that you say will pull out even go to conference and vote.. I believe a lot of the ones there are from smaller churches that don't get to go to conference too much... I could be wrong... If I am it will be the first time today... since it is just 19 minutes into the new day, I might be wrong a lot more before this time tomorrow..

If 200 pull out that normally go to conference and vote that is a significant shift as there were only 2000 voters at Tampa.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

If 200 pull out that normally go to conference and vote that is a significant shift as there were only 2000 voters at Tampa.

Get it straight, bub.

Only Twenty Seven left

[The Dean]

Just got this in from someone else at the Tulsa meeting...

Another thing that I forgot but now remember now that I am warm and in my hotel room is that - Bro. Booker told a story about a wise man that had bro. booker come and preach for him when bro. booker was a very young preacher. Bro. booker said this man was an icon in the movement back then and that if he mentioned his name everyone would either know him or has heard of him....Bro. Booker said that this man had him come and preach and LB was so intimidated because of how everyone revereed him and he was blown away that this man would want him (LB) to come and preach for him. He said that while he was sititng in his office, this wise man grabbed a chair and sat it in front of bro. booker and thier knees were touching and he leaned in real close to bro. booker and he said son - you remind me of myself when I was your age- ambitious, serious etc etc.. Bro. Booker said this wise man looked at him and said the upc will be around from now on - he said it will never go away, he said fifty years, four hundred years, he said from now on - the upci will always be here - he said but son - when I was your age - I started fighting - and bro. booker said this aged old wise man looked at him and said you see these hands - and bro. booker looked at his hands and this wise man has a far away look in his eyes and he stared at his own hands and said theres blood on these hands and I can not get them off and it haunts my soul- he said bro. booker remember this - no matter what the upc does it will always be around - don't have blood on your hands, dont fight it. With this bro. booker launched into how he can and will coexist with upc brethren etc... and this org is NOT going to be built around upc bashing etc etc...

[KarenJo]

Originally Posted by StMark

That sure was cold!

I wonder if maybe he wasn't feeling well ?

I agree, VERY COLD!!! Than Haney is a good guy with a good heart. Are you a friend of his? Or do you know him? You don't have to agree with him but don't talk bad about him or his ministry....

I think he spoke during Ladies Landmark today....Also, if Than felt that God wanted to change the schedule, then he wouldn't have a problem stepping aside...

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by KarenJo

I agree, VERY COLD!!! Than Haney is a good guy with a good heart. Are you a friend of his? Or do you know him? You don't have to agree with him but don't talk bad about him or his ministry....

I think he spoke during Ladies Landmark today....Also, if Than felt that God wanted to change the schedule, then he wouldn't have a problem stepping aside...

He was just stating his opinion that Than was kind of boring... He wasn't talking bad about him...

[Ron]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Just got this in from someone else at the Tulsa meeting...

Very wise words!

[StMark]

* * * NEWS FLASH ****

Have heard that UPC HeadQuaters sent undercover spies to Tulsa to
scoope it out and report back to SL????????????????????/




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[StMark]

Originally Posted by KarenJo

I agree, VERY COLD!!! Than Haney is a good guy with a good heart. Are you a friend of his? Or do you know him? You don't have to agree with him but don't talk bad about him or his ministry....

I think he spoke during Ladies Landmark today....Also, if Than felt that God wanted to change the schedule, then he wouldn't have a problem stepping aside...

CC1, you need to address this one

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I hope not. That will instantly at least double the Tulsa crowd if the UPC does it.

Someone said, and I believe it, that while this issue may not be enough for some to 'break away' from the UPC over a large percentage of them agree with the concerns the Tulsa group have. If the UPC makes them look 'persecuted' for holding on to an issue of separation it will cause many to move Tulsa way.

IMO, the only thing that is keeping them from being a FULL-BLOWN organization is that the key men that they want to lean heavy on are pastoring affiliated churches. I think it is more than obvious that the affiliated congregations are offering some resistance to leaving. Thus, the "Let's co-exist."

The 6 or 7 and the key men involved KNOW that they are DONE with UPC. They will never be seen as team players or supporters again. Showing up in Tulsa was like the burning of their boats....they cannot and will not return.

They have to promote the "co-exist" message to allow others time to work their churches out of affiliation.