Tulsa Report Day One

[StMark]

Originally Posted by The Dean

There was actually more than the '6' plus '1' tonight. Various others were in the pulpit for different reasons.

and WHY didn't you go ????????????????????????????????????????

[George]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Remember, CC1, that one of their big 'drawing cards' is that you don't have to 'sign up' to be a part of their fellowship. Many, if not most, are keeping their UPC credentials.

I've said from the beginning that I expect only about 500 to 700 total to drop the UPC. That will quickly double if the UPC tries to put them 'off limits'.

The actual number of a little over 1,000 was accurate as they did a genuine count. I'm not sure how many were there who weren't ministers but they did say the building was pretty much full - and too full on the floor for comfort.

I was pleased to hear that they were careful to not allow UPC bashing.

Surely you did not think they would UPC bash?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Remember, CC1, that one of their big 'drawing cards' is that you don't have to 'sign up' to be a part of their fellowship. Many, if not most, are keeping their UPC credentials.

I've said from the beginning that I expect only about 500 to 700 total to drop the UPC. That will quickly double if the UPC tries to put them 'off limits'.

The actual number of a little over 1,000 was accurate as they did a genuine count. I'm not sure how many were there who weren't ministers but they did say the building was pretty much full - and too full on the floor for comfort.

I was pleased to hear that they were careful to not allow UPC bashing.

If they stay positive and continue to avoid UPC bashing AND if the UPC does not knee jerk overreact and try to ban the new org. then they might just be able to co-exist peacefully. It will be a real test though because old time Oneness Pentecost does not have a history of being tolerant of competing organizations. A lot of token gestures but not much else over the years.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by StMark

and WHY didn't you go ????????????????????????????????????????

Cause the Lord wouldn't let me.

Next question?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by CC1

If they stay positive and continue to avoid UPC bashing AND if the UPC does not knee jerk overreact and try to ban the new org. then they might just be able to co-exist peacefully. It will be a real test though because old time Oneness Pentecost does not have a history of being tolerant of competing organizations. A lot of token gestures but not much else over the years.

sorry but i seriously doubt this and im not going into all the reasons but several here will understand

[StMark]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Cause the Lord wouldn't let me.

Next question?

O come on now be serious

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by CC1

If they stay positive and continue to avoid UPC bashing AND if the UPC does not knee jerk overreact and try to ban the new org. then they might just be able to co-exist peacefully. It will be a real test though because old time Oneness Pentecost does not have a history of being tolerant of competing organizations. A lot of token gestures but not much else over the years.

One could only hope, my friend. At some juncture I would hope the Apostolic movement as a whole would focus on the field instead of on internal fractures.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by CC1

If they stay positive and continue to avoid UPC bashing AND if the UPC does not knee jerk overreact and try to ban the new org. then they might just be able to co-exist peacefully. It will be a real test though because old time Oneness Pentecost does not have a history of being tolerant of competing organizations. A lot of token gestures but not much else over the years.

I don't think they will be able to co-exist... In fact there will be an uproar of those in UPC if the ones who sign up for whatever they are offering in Tulsa are allowed to keep their credentials...

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by StMark

O come on now be serious

What gave you any indication that I'm not serious?

Some things I don't joke about. God speaking to me is one of them.

I don't pretent to understand why. I do, however, obey what I'm told by the Almighty.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I don't think they will be able to co-exist... In fact there will probably be an uproar of those in UPC if the ones who sign up for whatever they are offering in Tulsa are allowed to keep their credentials...

I hope not. That will instantly at least double the Tulsa crowd if the UPC does it.

Someone said, and I believe it, that while this issue may not be enough for some to 'break away' from the UPC over a large percentage of them agree with the concerns the Tulsa group have. If the UPC makes them look 'persecuted' for holding on to an issue of separation it will cause many to move Tulsa way.