A letter from Bro. Haney

Originally Posted by philjones

Still spouting this salacious rumor and innuendo, Walking? Did you ever address my post to you concerning your "friends" assertions about what he found on these computers? I don't recall it if you did. Your friend is most likely full of hooey! I am beginning ot wonder about you.

If you want to contact him via email let me know. I didn't see your post where you asked me about my friend so sorry I didn't answer it right away. He never told any of the pastors what he found because he didn't want to cause harm. Many of these computers were in pastoral offices at church and had porn logs on them. Computers are good at tracking everything you view- even if you delete them from your history that doesn't mean they are off the hard drive

Maybe what I will do is invite him on here and he might tell everyone what he found over the years of being in the computer business.

PM me if you are interested. After all you are calling me a liar and I don't appreciate that so I hope you follow up.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

If you want to contact him via email let me know. I didn't see your post where you asked me about my friend so sorry I didn't answer it right away. He never told any of the pastors what he found because he didn't want to cause harm. Many of these computers were in pastoral offices at church and had porn logs on them. Computers are good at tracking everything you view- even if you delete them from your history that doesn't mean they are off the hard drive

Maybe what I will do is invite him on here and he might tell everyone what he found over the years of being in the computer business.

PM me if you are interested. After all you are calling me a liar and I don't appreciate that so I hope you follow up.

What possible good can come from a situation like this?

Let's say your friend found some porn on a pastor's computer. What good would posting it on here do? How would you be helping anyone?

Or, is that your goal?

What is your real motive for exposing the flaws and failures of others on a public forum?

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

If you want to contact him via email let me know. I didn't see your post where you asked me about my friend so sorry I didn't answer it right away. He never told any of the pastors what he found because he didn't want to cause harm. Many of these computers were in pastoral offices at church and had porn logs on them. Computers are good at tracking everything you view- even if you delete them from your history that doesn't mean they are off the hard drive

Maybe what I will do is invite him on here and he might tell everyone what he found over the years of being in the computer business.

PM me if you are interested. After all you are calling me a liar and I don't appreciate that so I hope you follow up.

Walkbyfaith7,

I never called you a liar. I said you were spreading "salacious rumor and innuendo"... that is not calling someone a liar. It is, however, questioning their motive for repeating and repeating something that is second hand word.

I am in the technology business and I have been for 15 years. I have been involved with the personal computer and the internet since their infancy (Commodore 64 and IBM PC jr. and Dial up access). I too have worked on pastors computers and found cookies and all kinds of porn pointers that happen without any active efforts on the part of the pastors. I never got alarmed but I DID mention it to the pastors, counseled them on how to protect their systems from such garbage and installed either the AFA filter or K-9 software to ensure that the insidious garbage that is inherent in the internet did not cause them future problems if someone like your "friend" worked on their system.

I would almost guarantee you, Walking, that if I got my hands on your computer I could come away and honestly say the same things about you as your "friend" said about these pastors.... even if you never intentionally attempted to access porn. The registries and other hidden temp file locations can incriminate the most careful of internet users if there is someone set to denigrate them or destroy their reputation.

Hopefully you now understand my post a bit better. Your "friend's" intent was not above board else why did they tell you and not the pastors?

[Felicity]

Might be a good idea to pray for those who are in leadership and for those who are having problems if they are. Goes a lot further than sharing and spreading gossip.

Gossip and idle rumour can ruin a person. Prayer can save them.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Might be a good idea to pray for those who are in leadership and for those who are having problems if they are. Goes a lot further than sharing and spreading gossip.

Gossip and idle rumour can ruin a person. Prayer can save them.

As usual Felicity you don't disappoint me with your answers.
Raven

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by philjones

Walkbyfaith7,
I am in the technology business and I have been for 15 years. I have been involved with the personal computer and the internet since their infancy (Commodore 64 and IBM PC jr. and Dial up access). I too have worked on pastors computers and found cookies and all kinds of porn pointers that happen without any active efforts on the part of the pastors. I never got alarmed but I DID mention it to the pastors, counseled them on how to protect their systems from such garbage and installed either the AFA filter or K-9 software to ensure that the insidious garbage that is inherent in the internet did not cause them future problems if someone like your "friend" worked on their system.

Anyone that has ever had pop ups knows you can't close 'em even if you try. I hate those things. When a porn sight pops up, try closing it and it will lead you to 100 more.

Tell your friend to go back in his hole, this means nothing. Even if it did, it isn't any of your business.

Originally Posted by philjones

Walkbyfaith7,

I never called you a liar. I said you were spreading "salacious rumor and innuendo"... that is not calling someone a liar. It is, however, questioning their motive for repeating and repeating something that is second hand word.

I am in the technology business and I have been for 15 years. I have been involved with the personal computer and the internet since their infancy (Commodore 64 and IBM PC jr. and Dial up access). I too have worked on pastors computers and found cookies and all kinds of porn pointers that happen without any active efforts on the part of the pastors. I never got alarmed but I DID mention it to the pastors, counseled them on how to protect their systems from such garbage and installed either the AFA filter or K-9 software to ensure that the insidious garbage that is inherent in the internet did not cause them future problems if someone like your "friend" worked on their system.

I would almost guarantee you, Walking, that if I got my hands on your computer I could come away and honestly say the same things about you as your "friend" said about these pastors.... even if you never intentionally attempted to access porn. The registries and other hidden temp file locations can incriminate the most careful of internet users if there is someone set to denigrate them or destroy their reputation.

Hopefully you now understand my post a bit better. Your "friend's" intent was not above board else why did they tell you and not the pastors?

At the time when he saw the porn on the computers he was in the UPCI and word got around he was a computer guy so you know, they used his free services. He never told any of the pastors that I know of partly because they were a 'man of God' and he didn't want to correct them, partly because he didn't want to cause any problems or break any families up since he has seen families break apart because of this addiction.

Later on, I don't know if it was years later but he left the UPCI and we are on this private forum together and it was there he revealed how many of the preachers he knew in the Oregon district would preach holiness or hell and then look at porn on their computers. It really made him upset because these same people were leading people spiritually as you can understand.

Now he never told names for the sake of ruining their reputations and also partly because when people leave the UPC...they get discredited one way or the other and people are told not to talk to them or fellowship with them.

Also, you told me I was spreading gossip and you said this guy that I know was full of it...so that is saying that I'm lying or he is lying. Either way, you think we are wrong, where in fact you might be surprised to know some of these guys he helped.

My point is though that while I was in the UPCI there were alot of pastors that thought they were God's gift to the earth and they were above us. That is why they sit up on the altar. Many of them believe they are above us.

Now, I don't think every UPCI preacher looks at or is addicted to porn. All I'm saying is that it happens more than people would like to admit.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

What possible good can come from a situation like this?

Let's say your friend found some porn on a pastor's computer. What good would posting it on here do? How would you be helping anyone?

Or, is that your goal?

What is your real motive for exposing the flaws and failures of others on a public forum?

I am not posting names on here.

My goal is to show that even though someone might think they are listening to a holiness preacher you never know what they are doing in their secret time. That is why we need to trust in GOD and not in man.

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

That seems highly unlikely and a bit "I heard from someone who heard from someone that....".

That's why I said "If this is true...". I heard it from one of our pastor's two weeks ago but he could have heard it from so and so, etc. and on the grapevine goes. I hope to goodness it's not true!

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

At the time when he saw the porn on the computers he was in the UPCI and word got around he was a computer guy so you know, they used his free services. He never told any of the pastors that I know of partly because they were a 'man of God' and he didn't want to correct them, partly because he didn't want to cause any problems or break any families up since he has seen families break apart because of this addiction.

Later on, I don't know if it was years later but he left the UPCI and we are on this private forum together and it was there he revealed how many of the preachers he knew in the Oregon district would preach holiness or hell and then look at porn on their computers. It really made him upset because these same people were leading people spiritually as you can understand.

Now he never told names for the sake of ruining their reputations and also partly because when people leave the UPC...they get discredited one way or the other and people are told not to talk to them or fellowship with them.

Also, you told me I was spreading gossip and you said this guy that I know was full of it...so that is saying that I'm lying or he is lying. Either way, you think we are wrong, where in fact you might be surprised to know some of these guys he helped.

My point is though that while I was in the UPCI there were alot of pastors that thought they were God's gift to the earth and they were above us. That is why they sit up on the altar. Many of them believe they are above us.

Now, I don't think every UPCI preacher looks at or is addicted to porn. All I'm saying is that it happens more than people would like to admit.

I would respond with content AGAIN if I thought you would read and attempt to comprehend what I am saying. That obviously is not going to happen so I will not waste my time with you any further. Go grind your axe somewhere else... I am not interested in watching!