Charles Parham "sick to his stomach" Over Azusa?

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

You should read all of the 1945 PA of JC monthly magazines "The Outlook".

Then read the the Feb 1946 0 Dec 1946 UPCI Herald Magazines.

they support Thomas Fudge and his book.

WT Withersppon in the July 1945 makes this statment:

Please be advised that the rumor that our proposition to merge includes a compromise on fundamental doctrine is simply untrue.

Read it for yourself the PDF is attached to this post.

The Oct 1045 Outlook of the PA of JC has the merger report.

The compromise on the doctrine of Jesus name baptism after conversion and speaking in tounges after conversion. As believed my the PCI side of the merger did not end until a resolution at the 1971 general conference in Miami.

When words were added to the doctrinal belief of the UPCI.

WT Whiterspoon the man who said there was to be no compromise actually borrowed a type writter and penned the first accepted doctrinal position accepted by the UPCI merged group.

For the men of the PA of JC it indeed was a compromise.

They however did not want another failed merger between the 2 groups as did happen in 1938.


They ultimately did merger because both groups were Oneness and did Baptize in Jesus Name and Believe in Speaking in Tounges.

My father preached for both sides of the debate in the 1960's.

He was a hit at both sides because he stuck to the common ground of both groups the "Oneness message".

Oh, by the way I have reached Thomas Fudge and he and I will be talking live within the next 2 weeks.

I am very interested in talking with him...

Have fun seeing all the old great names of Pentecost in the magazines.

Nathan Eckstadt

Bro. Eckstadt,
Thank you so much for sharing these two magazienes with me.
Do you have any magazienes or articles where the two sides argued their positions on salvation??

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

thanks for the info, gentlemen.

unfortunatley I have not done a good job studying Oneness History...and to be completly honest I NEVER knew of a compromise of doctrine between the two groups. I always thought they believed the same thing...
I never heard the term "PCI" till i joined fcf

They were very plentiful in West Tennessee and North Mississippi. Have you read the book the "Battlefield" about Elder Bean preaching at Laurel, Ms. combatting the PCI influence in that church.

[ChicagoPastor]

btw...
Bro. Hall just wrote a new book about Pentecostal History.
seeing as how this thread has gotten my intrest I think I'm going to order it (I can't remember the title right now but it's his newest book)

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

btw...
Bro. Hall just wrote a new book about Pentecostal History.
seeing as how this thread has gotten my intrest I think I'm going to order it (I can't remember the title right now but it's his newest book)

Read it ... Save your money.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Read it ... Save your money.

thanks for looking out for me!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

thanks for looking out for me!

JL Hall, noted UPCI historian, theologian and apologist has just published a book entitled "Restoring the Apostolic Faith: History of the Early Pentecostal Movement" where he theorizes about the restoration impulse that has restored things to the original church structure. He essentially debunks the theory held by some OP historians, like M. Arnold, regarding "remnant" history ... in which some claim OPs have survived throughout each generation .... both theories in my opinion have flaws.

Halls assertions about the subsequent apostasy sounds very much like the Mormons.

He also rehashes a lot of the stuff we already know about the early Pentecostal movement from the OP bias... nothing new, IMO. Nothing you won't find on the net.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

JL Hall, noted UPCI historian, theologian and apologist has just published a book entitled "Restoring the Apostolic Faith: History of the Early Pentecostal Movement" where he theorizes of the restoration impulse that has restored things to the original church structure. He essentially debunks the theory held by some OP historians, like M. Arnold, regarding "remnant" history ... in which some claim OPs have survived throughout each generation .... both theories in my opinion have flaws.

Halls assertions about the subsequent apostasy sounds very much like the Mormons.

He also rehashes a lot of the stuff we already know about the early Pentecostal movement from the OP bias... nothing new, IMO. Nothing you won't find on the net.

I do NOT believe in the 'restoration or reformation' doctrine it is the 'light doctrine' in a new dress. I do not understand anyone teaching or advocating this?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

thanks for the info, gentlemen.

unfortunatley I have not done a good job studying Oneness History...and to be completly honest I NEVER knew of a compromise of doctrine between the two groups. I always thought they believed the same thing...
I never heard the term "PCI" till i joined fcf

One Thread I would have liked to have salvaged from NFCF was the PCI thread supported largely by Timlan2057. It was an incredible thread with some first hand accounts from many.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

One Thread I would have liked to have salvaged from NFCF was the PCI thread supported largely by Timlan2057. It was an incredible thread with some first hand accounts from many.

It was very good.

[Ferd]

was that the George Glass Sr. Thread?