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Old 10-29-2007, 04:08 PM
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I think you need to re-read...because I never saw this...I saw people talking about enjoying a glass of wine or a Maragrita from time to time not once did any speak of getting drunk...........you are over reacting which is not a surprise....
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:09 PM
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I know this question is to Dan, but practically speaking, yes, it would have almost always had alcohol in it.
Squeezing grape juice out of grapes is a labor intensive process which does not result in a lot of juice for all the work put into it. Furthermore, unless it was drunk within hours after it was squeezed, it would have started to go bad.

Fermenting grape juice into wine is a CONTROLLED process that keeps the juice from going bad. Left to its own devices grape juice would turn into a stringy smelly mess just sitting on the counter, but if allowed to ferment just right, results in wine. Even the "Good Stuff", which is what Jesus produced!

The same can be said for cheese.... which is the controlled "spoilage" of milk.
Randy, I have one problem w/that. When Jesus turned the water into wine, it did not have a chance to ferment. Also, when we drink grape juice, it is the same as drinking wine w/out the alcohol of course. So it is entirely possible that drinking wine did not always include the alcohol.
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:11 PM
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Randy, I have one problem w/that. When Jesus turned the water into wine, it did not have a chance to ferment. Also, when we drink grape juice, it is the same as drinking wine w/out the alcohol of course. So it is entirely possible that drinking wine did not always include the alcohol.
Who says - - - it's hot and there were no fridges - - lol!!!!
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:12 PM
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And I've addressed your concern about my wisdom ... Furthermore, I've clearly stated that in my life I've consumed alcohol no more that 5 or 6 times .... this is a case of taking things out of context and posting on sheer emotion.
No you haven't...furthermore, you give a free pass to those who are tipsy, buzzed, and the like, without considering the spiritual and physical danger of those actions. You always seem to take the non-traditional approach. The approach that appeases the flesh.

Drinking has consequences Daniel. Dangerous consequences.

Wrecked marriages, wrecked cars, wrecked lives, abused kids, abused spouses. And alcohol is a "gateway" to harder substances.

Why do we need a thread devoted to how wonderful alcohol is?
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:16 PM
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No you haven't...furthermore, you give a free pass to those who are tipsy, buzzed, and the like, without considering the spiritual and physical danger of those actions. You always seem to take the non-traditional approach. The approach that appeases the flesh.

Drinking has consequences Daniel. Dangerous consequences.

Wrecked marriages, wrecked cars, wrecked lives, abused kids, abused spouses. And alcohol is a "gateway" to harder substances.

Why do we need a thread devoted to how wonderful alcohol is?
Balance ... is provided not in legislating what is extrabiblical ... it comes in teaching the Word and the Holy Spirit that indwells the believer.

It's non-traditional, PP ... for today's church to act like alcoholic consumption is prohibited by scripture or that wine was some how Welch's grape juice ....

Of course their are consequences to not being temperate or disobedient.

The arguments you are using here are used by the anti-tv crowd .... just w/ another medium.

You are making the leap from consumption to alcholism.
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:17 PM
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Who says - - - it's hot and there were no fridges - - lol!!!!
So then w/out question, this supports your argument? Will fresh wine turn fermented within the time of the wedding party that was going on in Jesus's day?
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Randy, I have one problem w/that. When Jesus turned the water into wine, it did not have a chance to ferment. Also, when we drink grape juice, it is the same as drinking wine w/out the alcohol of course. So it is entirely possible that drinking wine did not always include the alcohol.
It did not have to take time to ferment...he turned into wine NOT grapejuice.

The guests were allready well drunk when it was served.

Please Easty go read Deut 14:26 and then tell me that God commanded Israel to never partake of anything fermented.

He told them to in fact buy meat and wine and other fermented drink and to eat befor the Lord ad to rejoice,
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So then w/out question, this supports your argument? Will fresh wine turn fermented within the time of the wedding party that was going on in Jesus's day?
Easty ... the bible says it converted into wine ... which part don't you understand?
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:19 PM
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DWI (in the Texas Penal Code) is the offense for driver's 21 and older, DUI (in the Texas Beverage Code) is the offense for driver's under 21 IN TEXAS, different states use different terminology. However, the word DRUNK is not in the penal code. Nor is BUZZ, it is exactly as stated previously, impairment, whether or not driver is aware of it. By your prior misunderstanding you implied that DUI is not as serious. Actually the opposite is true a minor (under 21 for alcohol) is DUI with ANY ALCOHOL consumption PERIOD! Does NOT even require impairment. Please don't quote what you don't understand. Try sticking to theology and leave legal advice to those licensed to render it.

Following is from the Texas Penal Code word for word unedited:

§ 49.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Alcohol concentration" means the number of grams
of alcohol per:
(A) 210 liters of breath;
(B) 100 milliliters of blood; or
(C) 67 milliliters of urine.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or
physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a
controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of
two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the
body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or
more.

§ 49.04. DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person is intoxicated while operating a motor
vehicle in a public place.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c) and Section 49.09,
an offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor, with a
minimum term of confinement of 72 hours.
(c) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this
section that at the time of the offense the person operating the
motor vehicle had an open container of alcohol in the person's
immediate possession, the offense is a Class B misdemeanor, with a
minimum term of confinement of six days.

Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code, Sec. 106.041 provides that a minor commits this offense if he operates a motor vehicle in a public place while having any detectable amount of alcohol in his system.

This offense is a Class C misdemeanor punished by a fine not to exceed $500.00. However, if a minor has 2 prior convictions, the punishment is a fine of not less than $500.00 or more than $2,000.00 and/or confinement in jail for a term not to exceed 6 months!
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:20 PM
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Easty ... the bible says it converted into wine ... which part don't you understand?
The part that says it was converted into wine w/alcohol in it.
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