dead God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

When I saw that you were insisting my reasoning proposed TWO PERSONS in saying God did not die, but Jesus died, although you knew full well that I believe this GOD and MAN are not two persons, I refused to deal with all your questions, since you were not acknowledging how my reasoning concludes what I say it concludes. This is so similar to what you said about Iron Bladder and Strange. And you did what they did with me.

If the human nature died, and the PERSON of Christ was involved, making it so that the Person died, that STILL does not mean GOD died. I have been saying all along that the human nature is contrasted from the term "GOD" as much as the human nature is contrasted from the term "DIVINE NATURE". God refers solely to "divine nature". Since divine nature did not die, neither did God. And DIVINE NATURE involves the Person who was both God and man as well. So I will not say GOD died because divine nature cannot die. I can only say the PERSON who was God and man died. That means the person of God died ONLY THROUGH the humanity, but not through Deity, so we cannot say GOD died. The person of God experienced death, but not as GOD, only as MAN. Hence, God did not die. Why is that so hard to understand? That is why the bible never said GOD died.

I do not agree that the bible's lack of saying GOD DIED is similar to the lack of the bible directly saying "JESUS IS GOD," as you feel, when we both Know Jesus is God. The bible's lack of saying GOD DIED is for the reason that such a statement is incorrect and absurd, in my opinion, whereas it is not absurd nor incorrect to say Jesus is God.

So let's back up and have you first acknowledge that my reasoning shown here does NOT make two persons, for that was further back in our corresondence than the issue of me not acknowledging your thoughts. Becuase you did not acknowledge my view first, I refused to acknowledge your issues. We have to go back to where we got offtrack, which was your refusal to acknowledge how my reasoning concerning the thought GOD DID NOT DIE, all the while I proposed JESUS IS GOD, can be seen as valid if one realizes GOD only refers to deity and not to everything that the single PERSON, Jesus Christ, manifested as.

Mike my comments were not like this "You believe in two persons"...rather I said "IF"..get that..'IF'. And then I said IF this, then that. I never said YOU believe in two persons.

I also pointed out that a lot of OPs do believe in two persons.

So I did one of two things. Address a general issue among OPs and then made some points and explanations and rhetorical points based on an IF/THEN formula.

[mfblume]

Prax,

You ignored my side of my own reasoning.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Prax,

You ignored my side of my own reasoning.

You side of your own reasoning was God means Deity only. Deity did not Die. The bible does not say "God died"....what did I miss? I got all that. I asked questions based on what you said to clarify things. I made IF/THEN points to see which you agreed with, they got blown off.

In one case you wrongly said I accused your reasoning of saying God is an IT and after I pointed out I was asking a question about the HUMANITY, you have yet to acknowledge that.

[mfblume]

How many times must we go in circles?

You blew off my belief about GOD not being synonymous with the person as being unreasonable, is what I tried saying.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How many times must we go in circles?

You blew off my belief about GOD not being synonymous with the person as being unreasonable, is what I tried saying.

No I did not blow that off. I acknowledged it when I addressed it and said I don't agree. I did not blow it off. Everything I have said, all my questions, all my If/Then statements were partially based on what you had been saying, both in disagreement and an attempt to get clarity.

And my good friend, you still have not acknowledged that I did NOT accuse your understanding of God being an IT. I was asking about the humanity and saying IF a non-person died then it was an IT. I never said you believe God was an IT. I would really like to know that you read this and acknowledge it after me repeating it over 4 or 5 times now.

It took forever for you to just say "well I do believe a person died, through the humanity" or whatever. You kept avoiding my questions to that point and then making other statements about an aspect. How am I supposed to know what you mean when you avoid my questions, avoid the word person and use terms like aspect? I have to ask questions for clarity.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No I did not blow that off. I acknowledged it when I addressed it and said I don't agree. I did not blow it off. Everything I have said, all my questions, all my If/Then statements were partially based on what you had been saying, both in disagreement and an attempt to get clarity.

And my good friend, you still have not acknowledged that I did NOT accuse your understanding of God being an IT. I was asking about the humanity and saying IF a non-person died then it was an IT. I never said you believe God was an IT. I would really like to know that you read this and acknowledge it after me repeating it over 4 or 5 times now.

It took forever for you to just say "well I do believe a person died, through the humanity" or whatever. You kept avoiding my questions to that point and then making other statements about an aspect. How am I supposed to know what you mean when you avoid my questions, avoid the word person and use terms like aspect? I have to ask questions for clarity.

I already explained why I did not answer, whether or not my thoughts were correct about your reaction to my thoughts. This is wearying me, is all. You disagreed with my reasoning, and did more... implied my reasoning does not fly. How many times must I say it? lol What else is there to talk about if we disagree on this issue?

And it is a given that a person died, in my view. It's like you asking me if I believe Jesus was Messiah or not. It's a given. EVERYONE here believes these things you ask. If you ask me if a perosn died, of course I would say yes. It's just that such questions are too juvenile to answer, is all. lol

Anyway, let's carry on with something substantial.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I already explained why I did not answer, whether or not my thoughts were correct about your reaction to my thoughts. This is wearying me, is all. You disagreed with my reasoning, and did more... implied my reasoning does not fly. How many times must I say it? lol What else is there to talk about if we disagree on this issue?

And it is a given that a person died, in my view. It's like you asking me if I believe Jesus was Messiah or not. It's a given. EVERYONE here believes these things you ask. If you ask me if a perosn died, of course I would say yes. It's just that such questions are too juvenile to answer, is all. lol

Anyway, let's carry on with something substantial.

I just want to know that you understood that I was NOT trying to say you believed God was an "it". That's all. I don't think YOU believe God is an "it"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I just want to know that you understood that I was NOT trying to say you believed God was an "it". That's all. I don't think YOU believe God is an "it"

Agreed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Agreed.

Thank you

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And, because I have not seen you acknowledge this, I did NOT accuse your reasoning of making God an IT. I repeat, I was speaking of the Humanity you referred to that died. Nor was I making an accusation but asking questions, not getting answered, and answering them myself as to what the logical conclusion would be if just a human nature died and not also a Person.

I would appreciate it Bro Mike if you acknowledged that. Thanks :-)

aknowledged.

"But not His Divine nature or essence." .....yes, I understand this.




ARPH