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10-05-2007, 03:33 PM
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Anapko is Gone...
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Dilema?
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Exactly. For the sake of protecting my current pastor, I will not divulge his name. I'm in a akward position. I am licensed with the UPCI, and my pastor is strongly thinking of dropping out of the UPC. Now the church I go to was a home mission church, but it was never affiliated. What would you do if you were in my position? (its okay if you don't answer LOL!)
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Your answer is in your level of support for your present pastor. If you are comfortable with his leadership, then following him is not a problem. If you have any questions to your support, then you answered your own question.
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10-05-2007, 04:14 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Indiana
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Originally Posted by anapko81
Your answer is in your level of support for your present pastor. If you are comfortable with his leadership, then following him is not a problem. If you have any questions to your support, then you answered your own question.
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If only it were easier than that my friend. I strongly appreciate my pastor and his stand on issues (especially with holiness standards). Where I differ is what I feel concerning other issues regarding how I feel about the UPC. I do not feel like the UPC is backslid because of one issue that got voted on at GC, there are others that think the UPC is backslid. I am reletively new to this conservative church, I am worried that if I do not "drop" my license as my pastor may do, then I am not certain that I will not be ostracized by the local assembly, and not seen as united with the church. I love this group of saints, but I still do not know them well enough to know if they will reciprocate my feelings towards them. I have lots of family and friends that are UPC, I am not going to cut them off because of a decision made by this group of brothers and sisters. I still haven't answered my own question even if I love this pastor and am comfortable with how he leads this group of saints. I was born UPC, I was bred UPC, so the answer to my "delima" will have to be wieghed out, and I do not expect anyone here to solve this one for me. Dan started a thread that interested me, and I was curious because of my current situation. Thanks for wondering though.
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10-05-2007, 04:44 PM
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Philippians 4
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jackson, TN
Posts: 750
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
If only it were easier than that my friend. I strongly appreciate my pastor and his stand on issues (especially with holiness standards). Where I differ is what I feel concerning other issues regarding how I feel about the UPC. I do not feel like the UPC is backslid because of one issue that got voted on at GC, there are others that think the UPC is backslid. I am reletively new to this conservative church, I am worried that if I do not "drop" my license as my pastor may do, then I am not certain that I will not be ostracized by the local assembly, and not seen as united with the church. I love this group of saints, but I still do not know them well enough to know if they will reciprocate my feelings towards them. I have lots of family and friends that are UPC, I am not going to cut them off because of a decision made by this group of brothers and sisters. I still haven't answered my own question even if I love this pastor and am comfortable with how he leads this group of saints. I was born UPC, I was bred UPC, so the answer to my "delima" will have to be wieghed out, and I do not expect anyone here to solve this one for me. Dan started a thread that interested me, and I was curious because of my current situation. Thanks for wondering though.
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Bro. you are in a tight spot.... I do not envy you...
I'm sure that there are going to be many in your shoes.
Does your pastor know how you feel? If not you need to tell him
Also if you really don't want to leave the UPC then don't. Sometimes doing what we feel is right is not easy...trust me I know what I'm talking about. But sometimes you gotta look out for what you feel is right for YOU.
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10-05-2007, 05:14 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Indiana
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Originally Posted by Darcie
Bro. you are in a tight spot.... I do not envy you...
I'm sure that there are going to be many in your shoes.
Does your pastor know how you feel? If not you need to tell him
Also if you really don't want to leave the UPC then don't. Sometimes doing what we feel is right is not easy...trust me I know what I'm talking about. But sometimes you gotta look out for what you feel is right for YOU.
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Thanks Darcie. (now, if we could get your brother to be as nice as you! LOL!)
j/k:sshhh 
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10-05-2007, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nina
PS Just what IS a Pelathais anyway?
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Hi Nina. I'm afraid your question is off topic within this thread. 
For a complete explanation you can visit CAF or WordShare or send a generous contribution to my PayPal account. 
P. Elathais
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10-05-2007, 05:24 PM
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Philippians 4
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Jackson, TN
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
Thanks Darcie. (now, if we could get your brother to be as nice as you! LOL!)
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He really is a NICE guy, he just doesn't want anyone to know.
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10-05-2007, 05:29 PM
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Registered Member
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Exactly.
That is where the real rubber is going to meet the road.
But to compare this with guys who sign the AS when they are clearly in violation of it is bogus. And that was the intent, which I have demonstrated to be a false comparison.
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It is absolutely not bogus. The men who do that believe they are doing God's will and are just as passionate about what they believe as the conservatives. To think anything else is, in reality, quite arrogant.
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10-05-2007, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
The premise of this thread was an attempt to stretch some black and white ink.
The conservatives, many of them, feel betrayed that the organization changed a core issue in their separation doctrine.
In matters of conviction, there is no way to effectively compromise without feeling as if you have been untrue to yourself.
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The bolded statement is one thing that confuses me, C.S.
Did these same conservatives feel betrayed back in 1970's when the ban was put into place? By passing the ban on TV ministry and ads the UPCI was making the same type of change as they made last week. Wasn't there a "betrayal" at that time as well?
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10-05-2007, 05:31 PM
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Registered Member
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
If you don't give the DS and presbyter the option of speaking at the disaffiliation meeting, it isn't valid.
The church will be informed.
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That's right. You've got to give the presbyter an opportunity to accuse you of wanting to take all the money and run before the vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFGZufk4HFs
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10-05-2007, 05:42 PM
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Philippians 4
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