Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

But there is a fine blurred line between the pastor turning in his license and using tactics to influence "his" church to disaffiliate ...

Also the pastor withdrawing has agreed not try to influence others to leave ... or not support.

I agree. To un-affiliate the church you would have to argue a case and to make that case you will need to alienate and influence.

But you're talking about the exercise of ethics in an area that I don't think it's even been demanded before - between a local pastor and his meal ticket. That's always been untouchable.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

If a UPC church disaffiliates from the UPC and maintains the same pastor how is it possible for that pastor to say he did not use his influence to alienate the church from fellowship or support of the UPC? Because now he is a pastor of an alienated church and a pastor is the leader of that flock.

I would imagine ... it would be in the approach of the newly unlicensed pastor.

In whether or not he allows his flock to objectively consider disaffiliating ... or if it can be proven he used strong arm tactics to do so ...

The pastor may wind up staying w/ his church ... but can't a district board then move to place that pastor on the "DON'T FELLOWSHIP" list.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Many of the churches are set up so that the pastor is affiliated as opposed to the church itself.

Then would the pastor who disaffiliated himself from the UPC in effect be alienating the church he pastors from the UPC fellowship?





What's up with the wierd things put in the manual?

[SDG]

Moreover, this pastor who has agreed to the code of ethics can be deemed unethical if he is trying to influence other fellow ministers in the org.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Then would the pastor who disaffiliated himself from the UPC in effect be alienating the church he pastors from the UPC fellowship?





What's up with the wierd things put in the manual?

If only there were an attorney in the fellowship that could help them draft such things (TIC)

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree. To un-affiliate the church you would have to argue a case and to make that case you will need to alienate and influence.

But you're talking about the exercise of ethics in an area that I don't think it's even been demanded before - between a local pastor and his meal ticket. That's always been untouchable.

I don't like being called a meal ticket.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Many of the churches are set up so that the pastor is affiliated as opposed to the church itself.

This varies from District to District

[Raven]

"If my convictions change, I will be honorable enough to withdraw."

Something for all to ponder Dan. Especially for those who are adamant about abiding by the rules! Good eye there Dan.

Raven

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Then would the pastor who disaffiliated himself from the UPC in effect be alienating the church he pastors from the UPC fellowship?
What's up with the wierd things put in the manual?

I don't think this one is "weird." The org is just saying that if you take the pastorate of a UPC affiliated church you must keep in mind that you took the pastorate of a UPC affiliated church. Otherwise you'd have guys coming into UPC churches and using their influence as pastor to rob the fellowship of churches.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

This varies from District to District

And even within district, most often one would need to check the 501 c 3 charter, articles of incorporation, etc. for that individual churches formation, or BOT amendments since.