The Blood...

Barb · #1 09-02-2007, 06:34 PM

My pastor preached about baptism today and it got me thinking...what is your understanding of the Blood?!

Some folks feel we are morbid when we talk about the Blood of Christ, while others think we don't talk about it enough.

Do we talk/sing about it too much or is it not possible to speak or sing about it enough?!

Some say it is applied in baptism, while others say it isn't applied at all but appropriated.

What is the difference and when does this happen for the believer?!

RevDWW · #2 09-02-2007, 07:53 PM

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Romans 3:24 - 26 (KJV) 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

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Hebrews 9:15 -22 (KJV)
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

When does remission of sin take place?

Barb · #3 09-02-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

When does remission of sin take place?

Well, I am PAJC in doctrine, so I believe I was baptized for the remission of sin.

However, I know some who believe they were baptized because of the remission of sin.

RevDWW · #4 09-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

Well, I am PAJC in doctrine, so I believe I was baptized for the remission of sin.

However, I know some who believe they were baptized because of the remission of sin.

I try to stick to the biblical...so I know that remission takes place in baptism....

Sam · #5 09-02-2007, 08:36 PM

aphesis (Strong's word 859) and aphiemi (Strong’s word 863) are used as follows in the Greek Scriptures and are usually translated as release, forgiveness, remission, pardon, let go, leave, permit, dismiss, discharge, cancel. Here are the places in our New Testament where the words are found and how they are translated in our KJV

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Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for
many for the remission of sins.
Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins.
Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Lu 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the
remission of their sins,
Lu 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the
baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering
of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Lu 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one
of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ac 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a
Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Ac 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name
whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Ac 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that
through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light,
and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified
by faith that is in me.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the
forgiveness of sins:
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and
without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering
for sin.

J-Roc · #6 09-02-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

When does remission of sin take place?

It takes place at conversion.

Darcie · #7 09-02-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

My pastor preached about baptism today and it got me thinking...what is your understanding of the Blood?!

Some folks feel we are morbid when we talk about the Blood of Christ, while others think we don't talk about it enough.

[U]Do[/U] we talk/sing about it too much or is it not possible to speak or sing about it enough?!
Some say it is applied in baptism, while others say it isn't applied at all but appropriated.

What is the difference and when does this happen for the believer?!

Never Enough! What Christ did on the cross is the most beautiful thing known to man! If we say conversion comes after baptism, we negate the power of Calvary. His blood is enough to cleanse our sins.

mfblume · #8 09-02-2007, 09:28 PM

THE BLOOD is a reference to the entire scope of the death, burial and resurrection process and work of salvation. It is the encapsulation or microcosm of all that the work of God through the cross accomplished. Blood is life of the flesh, so blood out of the body means death. This is why BLOOD was presented on the mercyseat. Death had occurred, and that was proof. So the references to salvation by the blood are speaking primarily about the entire work of Christ's death followed by the resurrection.

mfblume · #9 09-02-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

Never Enough! What Christ did on the cross is the most beautiful thing known to man! If we say conversion comes after baptism, we negate the power of Calvary. His blood is enough to cleanse our sins.

Ahh, but Calvary is applied to us when we obey the scriptures including the need for baptism, which is where FAITH must be exerted. Without faith, nothing saves.

Darcie · #10 09-02-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

THE BLOOD is a reference to the entire scope of the death, burial and resurrection process and work of salvation. It is the encapsulation or microcosm of all that the work of God through the cross accomplished. Blood is life of the flesh, so blood out of the body means death. This is why BLOOD was presented on the mercyseat. Death had occurred, and that was proof. So the references to salvation by the blood are speaking primarily about the entire work of Christ's death followed by the resurrection.

Do you have scripture for this?