What Was Adam's Punishment? What Did Jesus Die to Cover?

[Digging4Truth]

Brother Blume's book "Take A Bite Of Eternal Life" is a great book to read on this subject.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Rico

Crakjak, you're a one hit wonder, my friend. LOL!

Do you realize how big a hit this really is? And there is historical evidence that it was the prevailing view until the fifth century.

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by crakjak

If Adam's sin/disobedience produced death in the whole of the human family, and it did, why is it so hard to recieve that Jesus' obedience produced "justification unto life" in the whole of the human family?

Because everybody that's born of woman is born of the flesh, and thereby inherets Adam's nature and is born into sin. If you're born a human, you are subject death, just as is the whole human family.

But, indeed through Jesus there is justification unto life, but only to those who are born into His family. If you're not born into Adam's family, you don't inheret anything from him. Likewise, if you're not born into Jesus' family, you don't inheret anything from Him. That's why we must be born again.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by chseeads

Because everybody that's born of woman is born of the flesh, and thereby inherits Adam's nature and is born into sin. If you're born a human, you are subject death, just as is the whole human family.

But, indeed through Jesus there is justification unto life, but only to those who are born into His family. If you're not born into Adam's family, you don't inhered anything from him. Likewise, if you're not born into Jesus' family, you don't inhered anything from Him. That's why we must be born again.

You do err not knowing the scriptures:

Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

How did condemnation come "upon all men"? "Therefore as" Thru Adam with no effort on their part all were condemned. "Even so", in other words, in the same way or manner "justification of life" thru the second Adam (Jesus Christ) came upon all men. All have been justified, now all must enter into life. All have been reconciled to God, Paul says we have been given the ministry of "reconciliation".

[chseeads]

Nah, I don't think I err. I think you do.

It all comes by birth. You have to be born of the flesh to inherit from Adam.

You have to be born of the Spirit to inherit from Jesus.

[crakjak]

OLD TESTAMENT PUNISHMENTS

"It shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of the body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine and the flocks of thy sheep. Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation and rebuke in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do. The Lord shall smite thee with consumption, and with a fever, with blasting and mildew; etc. In the morning thou shalt say: Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say: Would God it were morning!"--Deut.xxviii:15-29, 67.

Abimilech's is a case in point: "Thus God rendered the wickedness of Abimelech, which he did unto his father, in slaying his seventy brethren."--Judges ix:56.

So with Ahithophel, the suicide: "And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed,he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sephulchre of his father."--II.Sam.xvii:23.

Is it asked how this suicide was punished? Paul answers:

"Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment.,"--I.Tim.v:24.

Hence Paul tells us that under the Law: "Every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward."--Heb.ii:2

Now for four thousand years every wicked act was fully punished in this life. "Every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward."

Would God have an endless hell and keep it a secret from the world for four thousand years? Would he keep sinners for four thousand years from a hell he had made, and then use it as a prison for other sinners no worse? No; the silence of God for forty centuries is a demonstration that he had no such place reserved for any of his children; and if not thence under the severe dispensation of Moses, it is impossible that it should be found in the milder message of the Gospel of the grace of God.