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Re: Random Questions Thread

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And we haven't even gotten into the "seed of the serpent" yet...

Is it similar to this:

1. Cain's lineage: (Serpent Seed)
2. Ham's wife: Associated with Cain's lineage, corrupting Noah's family
3. Canaanites: Descendants of Cain, cursed by Noah
4. Esau and Edomites: Linked to Cain's lineage, enemies of God's people
5. Herodian dynasty: Edomite descendants, influencing Jewish leadership
6. Synagogue of Satan: Herodian-Edomite Jews opposing Jesus
7. Jewish aristocracy: Connected to Herodian-Edomite lineage
8. European royalty: Descendants of Edomites, ruling through Zionism
9. Zionism and Modern Israel: Seen as serpent seed strongholds
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Hebrews 8 New Covenant between God and the house of Israel and Judah.


Heb. 8:6
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7..For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8..For he finds fault with them when he says:[c]
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
..when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
..and with the house of Judah,
9..
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
........on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
..and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10..
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
..after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
..and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
..and they shall be my people.
11..
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
..and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
..from the least of them to the greatest.
12..
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
..and I will remember their sins no more.”
13..In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



So…I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the fact that we are 2000 years into the New Covenant, and the physical nation of Israel (98% atkeast in 2024) (and…those that claim to be Gods chosen) has rejected the the testator of the new covenant, Jesus. They are not in an old covenant and not in a new covenant with God, so therefore the writer of Hebrews HAS to be speaking of those that ARE in new covenant with Him, even when he says, Israel or House of Judah, he means by way of the SEED of Christ, because Jesus was of the lineage of Judah. The promises come to His offspring, the True Israel.

It makes no since that Israel caught between 2 covenants for 2k years is not in covenant, meanwhile the body of Christ is in covenant, but we aren’t Israel or Judah so he couldn’t be talking about us…we’re just sideliners…

I mean how in the world are people seeing this(dispensationalist)?
How are they making since if this? Are they thinking this is still some often the distance future thing, when they stop rejecting Jesus as the Messiah?
(Sincere question)


To me, Rom 9’s true Israel & the Olive Tree engrafting is the only logical explanation.
We have become and united w Gods true Israel…those w a circumcised heart.
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Re: Random Questions Thread

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Hebrews 8 New Covenant between God and the house of Israel and Judah.


Heb. 8:6
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7..For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8..For he finds fault with them when he says:[c]
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
..when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
..and with the house of Judah,
9..
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
........on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
..and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10..
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
..after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
..and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
..and they shall be my people.
11..
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
..and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
..from the least of them to the greatest.
12..
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
..and I will remember their sins no more.”
13..In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



So…I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but the fact that we are 2000 years into the New Covenant, and the physical nation of Israel (98% atkeast in 2024) (and…those that claim to be Gods chosen) has rejected the the testator of the new covenant, Jesus. They are not in an old covenant and not in a new covenant with God, so therefore the writer of Hebrews HAS to be speaking of those that ARE in new covenant with Him, even when he says, Israel or House of Judah, he means by way of the SEED of Christ, because Jesus was of the lineage of Judah. The promises come to His offspring, the True Israel.

It makes no since that Israel caught between 2 covenants for 2k years is not in covenant, meanwhile the body of Christ is in covenant, but we aren’t Israel or Judah so he couldn’t be talking about us…we’re just sideliners…

I mean how in the world are people seeing this(dispensationalist)?
How are they making since if this? Are they thinking this is still some often the distance future thing, when they stop rejecting Jesus as the Messiah?
(Sincere question)


To me, Rom 9’s true Israel & the Olive Tree engrafting is the only logical explanation.
We have become and united w Gods true Israel…those w a circumcised heart.
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The plan of God always has been to use Israel to save all nations. When Israel through disobedience was invaded by the Assyrians, she became dispersed and integrated into the nations losing identity, becoming the nations.

Jesus, a Judean and ancestor of Abraham, is the salvation for all nations. Through the new covenant he is saving Israel. The true Israel of God, us.
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