Random Questions Thread

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What do you mean by "ethnic Jews"? Do you mean "ethnic The-People-Today-Called-Jews"? Or do you mean "the people actually descended from Jacob"?

The book is about what the rest of the Bible is about - God redeeming and delivering Israel from their enemies through the Messiah, leading to the reformation of all humanity and the restoration of things to the way they were intended.

The enemy presented in Revelation is a dragon, a beast from the sea, a beast from the earth, a harlot, the kings of the earth, the merchants of the earth, imposters who claim to be Jews, false apostles and teachers in the church, the general population of the wicked, and the spiritual forces motivating all these things.

The beast from the earth is a two horned lamb-like beast, it looked like a lamb but spake as a dragon. This is the entity that "causes everyone to receive a mark". This is the Papal Roman power attempting to keep alive and revive the (western) Roman empire, instituting false Christianity (catholicism) and forcing the world into the Roman form of government and society. One might say the beast from the sea is the Roman political power, and the beast from the earth is the Roman religious power, but I think that would be an oversimplification, even if it works in a very generalised sense. It should be noted that the Papacy is an outgrowth of both pagan and Jewish Gnosticism, and has always had a distinctly rabbinical influence (one of the Papal crowns is adorned with the "star of David" aka the seal of Solomon which is straight out of medieval Jewish kaballah, etc).

The harlot is identified as Jerusalem, and clearly represents the apostate Jewish system which is "riding the (Roman) beast", is propped up by it, and which influences the kings of the earth and their subjects to support the Roman beast system. The concept of "Jews" needs to be understood as including both apostate antichristian Israelites of the Judean hierarchy and religio-political system, as well as those imposters (Revelation 2:9, 3:9) who claim to be Judeans but are not - instead they are the religious antichristian system known as Judaism ("synagogue of satan"), and yes that includes Edomite "Jews" as well as anyone else who adopts the religion of Pharisaism.

There are a lot of players on the field, but ultimately there's only two teams - God's, and satan's.

I was thinking whenever you see the 12 tribes mentioned, it's talking about the Israel of God. But, the apocalyptic imagery would be the synagogue of Satan (false Jews) as you said.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I was thinking whenever you see the 12 tribes mentioned, it's talking about the Israel of God. But, the apocalyptic imagery would be the synagogue of Satan (false Jews) as you said.

Not sure what you mean here?

The 12 tribes wouldn't be imposters, they would be Israel. The ones who "say they are Judeans but are not, but do lie, and are the synagogue of satan" would be imposters. As are the Edomites who converted back in the 2nd century BC and who ever since have laid claim to being "Judeans" (Jews), along with anyone else claiming to be "Jews", but who aren't Judahites descended from Jacob.

Keep in mind, there were and are plenty of Israelites (descended from the actual 12 tribes) who are just as if not more satanic and wicked than anything any other nation has or could produce. It wasn't just "imposters" screaming "Crucify him!" He came unto His own, and His own received him not.

[Esaias]

And we haven't even gotten into the "seed of the serpent" yet...

[shag]

She’s running against Trump?



A Sincere thank you for taking the time to school me on this stuff

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

She’s running against Trump?



A Sincere thank you for taking the time to school me on this stuff

Lol

You're welcome!

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by shag

She’s running against Trump?



A Sincere thank you for taking the time to school me on this stuff

I also appreciate Elder Esaias' kind and patient teaching.

[Amanah]

For the sake of clarity, here are definitions and explanations for each term:

*Judah*
Refers to:
- One of Jacob's 12 sons (Genesis 29:35)
- The tribe of Judah, dominant in the southern kingdom of Israel (1 Kings 12:21-24)
- The region of Judah, also known as Judea (Luke 1:5)

*Judean*
Refers to:
- A member or inhabitant of the tribe of Judah or the region of Judea
- Used interchangeably with "Jew" in some contexts (e.g., Luke 23:3)

*Jew*
Originally referred to a member of the tribe of Judah, but later encompassed:
- Descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
- Followers of Judaism
- People from Judea or Israel (Romans 1:16, 2:28-29)

*Judaism*
The monotheistic faith of the Jewish people, encompassing:
- Torah (Law) and Talmudic traditions
- Rituals, practices, and customs
- History and cultural identity

*Judaizers*
A group in early Christianity (Acts 15:1-35, Galatians 2:3-14) that:
- Insisted Gentile converts adhere to Jewish customs (circumcision, dietary laws)
- Emphasized works-based salvation
- Opposed Paul's teachings on faith and grace

*Synagogue of Satan*
A phrase from Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, referring to:
- Those claiming Jewish identity but rejecting Jesus
- Groups opposing Christianity, pretending to be Jewish
- Symbolic representation of spiritual deception and opposition

Contextual note: In Revelation, Jesus distinguishes between true Jews (those faithful to God) and the "Synagogue of Satan" (those opposing Him).

Important distinction:
- Criticisms of Judaism or Judaizers in the New Testament are theological, not ethnic or racist.

The terminology relates to Revelation as follows:

*Judah*: Revelation 5:5; 7:5 - Jesus is lion of Judah, emphasizing His messianic role.

*Judean/Jew*: Revelation 2:9; 3:9 - Jesus distinguishes between true Jews (faithful) and those claiming Jewish identity but rejecting Him (Synagogue of Satan).

*Judaism*: Revelation critiques Jewish leaders and traditions that reject Jesus (2:9; 3:9), emphasizing the transition from old covenant to new.

*Judaizers*: Revelation indirectly addresses Judaizer-like tendencies:
* 2:14-15: Balaam's error (Numbers 25) - compromising with pagan practices.
* 2:20-23: Jezebel's teaching (1 Kings 16:31) - promoting idolatry and immorality.

*Synagogue of Satan*:
* Revelation 2:9: Those claiming Jewish identity but rejecting Jesus.
* Revelation 3:9: Those saying they are Jews but lie, worshiping Satan instead.

Revelation themes:

* True Israel vs. false (2:9; 3:9)
* Faithfulness vs. compromise (2:14-15; 18:4)

*Key passages:*

Revelation 5:5 - Jesus as lion of Judah.
Revelation 7:4-8 - 144,000 sealed from 12 tribes.
Revelation 21:12 - new Jerusalem's gates named after 12 tribes.

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[Amanah]

Here's an overview of the complex DNA, ethnicity, and genealogy of Israel's current residents:

*DNA:*
Israel's population is genetically diverse, reflecting its history as a crossroads of migrations.
- Studies suggest:
- 40-50% of Israeli Jews have Middle Eastern genetic markers (Y-chromosome haplogroups J1, J2).
- 30-40% have European genetic markers (R1b, R1a).
- 10-20% have African genetic markers (E1b1b, E1b1a).
- 10-20% have Asian genetic markers (Q, H).

*Ethnicity:*
Israel's population comprises various ethnic groups:
1. Jewish Israelis (74%):
- Ashkenazi (Eastern European): 30-40%
- Sephardic (Spanish/Middle Eastern): 20-30%
- Mizrahi (Middle Eastern): 20-30%
- Ethiopian: 2-3%
- Other (Indian, Yemeni, etc.): 5-10%
2. Non-Jewish Israelis (26%):
- Arab Israelis (21%): Muslim, Christian, Druze
- Palestinian Arabs
- Bedouin
- Other (Circassian, Armenian, etc.)

*Current Genetic Studies:*
1. "The Genome of the Jewish People" (2014): analyzed 128 Jewish individuals from 14 communities.
2. "Genomic Insights into the Origins of the Jewish People" (2019): studied 367 Jewish individuals from 13 communities.

*Key Findings:*
1. Genetic diversity within Jewish communities.
2. Shared ancestry between Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations.
3. Evidence of ancient migrations and admixture.

*Resources:*
1. Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs: "The Jewish People's Genetic History"
2. National Geographic: "Genographic Project"
3. Scientific American: "The Genetics of the Jewish People"

*Challenges and Limitations:*
1. Complex history of migrations and admixture.
2. Limited genetic data from ancient populations.
3. Interpreting genetic results in historical context.

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[Amanah]

Israel's founding was shaped by the convergence of secular, Zionist, and socialist ideologies.

*Secular Founding:*
1. Early Zionist leaders, such as Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann, were largely secular.
2. Emphasis on creating a modern, democratic state, separate from religious authority.
3. Influenced by Enlightenment values: reason, individualism, and humanism.

*Zionist Ideology:*
1. Emerged in late 19th century as a response to anti-Semitism and Jewish persecution.
2. Aimed to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, then under Ottoman rule.
3. Herzl's "The Jewish State" (1896) outlined the vision for a Jewish nation-state.

*Socialist and Labor Zionism:*
1. Influenced by Marxist and socialist ideas, emphasizing collective ownership and social justice.
2. Leaders like David Ben-Gurion and Berl Katznelson sought to create a Jewish workers' state.
3. Kibbutzim (collective farms) and moshavim (cooperative settlements) exemplified socialist Zionism.

*Key Figures:*
1. Theodor Herzl (1860-1904): Founded the World Zionist Organization.
2. Chaim Weizmann (1874-1952): First President of Israel, advocated for British support.
3. David Ben-Gurion (1886-1973): Israel's first Prime Minister, led Labor Zionist movement.
4. Berl Katznelson (1887-1944): Key figure in Labor Zionism, emphasized social justice.

*Influential Documents:*
1. Theodor Herzl's "The Jewish State" (1896)
2. The Balfour Declaration (1917): British support for Jewish homeland.
3. The Israeli Declaration of Independence (1948): Establishes Israel as a democratic state.

*Impact on Israeli Society:*
1. Secularism: Israel's education system, culture, and politics reflect secular values.
2. Zionism: Shaped Israel's national identity, foreign policy, and relationship with Diaspora Jews.
3. Socialism: Influenced Israel's economic and social policies, including labor rights and social welfare.

*Challenges and Evolutions:*
1. Balancing secular and religious aspects.
2. Addressing Palestinian-Israeli conflict and questions of self-determination.
3. Shifts in Israeli politics: from socialist to liberal and nationalist orientations.

*Legacy:*
1. Israel's founding ideals continue to shape its identity and values.
2. Inspiration for other national liberation movements.
3. Ongoing debates about the role of secularism, Zionism, and socialism in Israeli society.

[Amanah]

My sweet Sister called me yesterday evening upset by the rise of Inflation, costs of gas and Insurance, ect. She said something that was shocking, "we are seeing the decline of America. Jesus doesn't care about America, He only cares about Israel"

I said, no, he cares about His Church, His Bride. The nation of Israel isn't in a covenant relationship with God. We, the church are.