What saith the Prophets?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

The screen shot says it all.

I totally agree. Hence the reason why the early American Pentecostals didn't like denominations. They actually wanted to stay in the brush arbors. Yet, the building program was calling them.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The organization may not be perfect, but Im sure there are still amazing pastors, elders, and teachers within it.

You might join another flawed organization . . .and find that you could do worse.

I am not in the UPC

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

I am not in the UPC

I didn't say you were.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The organization may not be perfect, but Im sure there are still amazing pastors, elders, and teachers within it.

You might join another flawed organization . . .and find that you could do worse.

Every religion should be known by it's best. Those who are devout, lovers of Jesus Christ. Who want to really do the right thing and abandon man's favor to follow the Spirit of Truth. When you paint a house the portion which has the new paint stands out, and shows just how bad the unpainted parts really are. Our bias is that we see the bad stand out from the clean. There are so many beautiful people who are on the journey. We must never throw the baby out with the bath water.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I didn't say you were.

My mistake

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Is this true? I wasn’t aware they took such a hard stance. So youre saying if you’re anything but a pretrib rapture preacher, you can’t join?

I had a convo recently with a former superintendent, and He said the organization really has no power to pull a ministers license. Our conversation had more to do with holiness standards than eschatology.

Yes, and no. There are some types of eschatology they would reject as being not inline with their core faith.

No, you can be pre, mid, post trib and be licensed in the UPCI. There is also room for historicism as far as I know. There is nothing in the Articles of Faith that says you must believe in 7 years trib and stuff like that. As long as you believe in the literal return of Christ, the resurrection, the worsening of tribulation upon the earth, the millennium, and the final judgment, you can be licensed. Other organizations are more lax in this and would license someone as long as they believe in the literal return of Christ and the resurrection, ... not needing that you believe in a literal millennium, or future worsening of tribulation.

[votivesoul]

Just don't be on the wrong end of this book, and all will be well...

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Back during the Brother Larry T Smith hysteria. I noticed that Pentecost was all over the place concerning eschatology. While they were staunch against one position. They barely could answer questions concerning their own. My wife’s UPC church were solid Pre Trib Zionists. But, when they were taken to task on their beliefs they were dumb founded. First accusation made was that Brand X were antisemitic. Also called Replacement Theology. The knee jerk was that 1 Modern Israel was God’s favorites, 2 the Church was just the red headed stepchild.

I find that most don’t know why they believe what they do. Someone preached it and someone else said “Amen!” and that’s all there is to it.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn's update

Matthew 23:6-8 (ESV),

6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.

I put this dude on the pay no mind list the moment I heard of this "Rabbi".

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Yes, and no. There are some types of eschatology they would reject as being not inline with their core faith.

No, you can be pre, mid, post trib and be licensed in the UPCI. There is also room for historicism as far as I know. There is nothing in the Articles of Faith that says you must believe in 7 years trib and stuff like that. As long as you believe in the literal return of Christ, the resurrection, the worsening of tribulation upon the earth, the millennium, and the final judgment, you can be licensed. Other organizations are more lax in this and would license someone as long as they believe in the literal return of Christ and the resurrection, ... not needing that you believe in a literal millennium, or future worsening of tribulation.

Since when?