April 8 Solar Eclipse

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You’re welcome. Just calling it like I see it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Christian zionists are causing us to spend a fortune to incorrectly support a misunderstanding of biblical prophecy so they can get raptured out of here and leave everyone else including the Jews they supposedly love to be tortured by the "antichrist" (prophecy that was fulfilled by Antiochus and Titus)

Yes, I always thought that to be the oddest part of their eschatology. Send all the modern Jews from all over the world to Israel. Build the "antichrist" a temple on the Dome of the Rock. Then wait for 3/4s of the Jews that were sent there to be massacre?

Whose the antisemite?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm asking you to please listen to this interview with Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro. Rabbi Shapiro discusses the origins of Zionism and how, contrary to prevailing Western views, it is fundamentally opposed to Judaism. This is only part 1. I'm just asking you to listen to just this portion of the video. If you continue to go onto part 2, I commend you for hearing him out. I understand you and Brother Hattabaugh are together and feel that you need to defend the issue of Christian Zionism. But please understand that Zionism has done no favors to the Jewish people. Criticizing Zionism isn't antisemitism.

That’s a very informative video. Thanks for posting.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

That’s a very informative video. Thanks for posting.

You are welcome. Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s argument is logical one showing how Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism. Interesting how he points out how Netanyahu’s claim of being the Prime minister of Jews worldwide is ludicrous.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Embarrassing is how others view us. Actually dispensationalism isn't the worldwide accepted view. Christian Zionism (which sadly is the UPCI view) is mainly American in origin. It wasn't actually a Theodor Herzl idea. His original idea was to have all modern Jews convert to Christianity. It was Zionist Christians who pushed for Jews to return to Israel and rebuild Israel. We stand at a time in world history where the teaching of Christian Zionism is shooting itself in the foot.

You're right

Meta search:

The dominant eschatological view worldwide is *Amillennialism*, which is widely held among:

- *Catholic Church*: Amillennialism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church ¹.
- *Eastern Orthodox Church*: The Eastern Orthodox Church also adheres to Amillennialism.
- *Mainline Protestant denominations*: Many mainline Protestant denominations, such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, and Methodist Churches, tend to hold Amillennial views.
- *Historical Christian traditions*: Amillennialism has been the dominant view in many historical Christian traditions, including the early Church Fathers and the Reformers.

Amillennialism is a symbolic and spiritual interpretation of biblical prophecy, emphasizing the present reign of Christ and the spiritual nature of His kingdom. It is estimated that a significant majority of Christians worldwide hold to Amillennialism, particularly in the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic traditions.

Dispensationalism is the majority viewpoint among Pentecostals though, interestingly.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

You're right

Meta search:

The dominant eschatological view worldwide is *Amillennialism*, which is widely held among:

- *Catholic Church*: Amillennialism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church ¹.
- *Eastern Orthodox Church*: The Eastern Orthodox Church also adheres to Amillennialism.
- *Mainline Protestant denominations*: Many mainline Protestant denominations, such as the Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican, and Methodist Churches, tend to hold Amillennial views.
- *Historical Christian traditions*: Amillennialism has been the dominant view in many historical Christian traditions, including the early Church Fathers and the Reformers.

Amillennialism is a symbolic and spiritual interpretation of biblical prophecy, emphasizing the present reign of Christ and the spiritual nature of His kingdom. It is estimated that a significant majority of Christians worldwide hold to Amillennialism, particularly in the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic traditions.

Dispensationalism is the majority viewpoint among Pentecostals though, interestingly.

[Evang.Benincasa]

By the way, how did that solar eclipse prophecy work out? 🤔🧐

[Amanah]

Someone else we can put on our ignore list.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Pentecostals actually don't understand what is a Jew. This issue causes "some" Apostolic Pentecostal churches to go down the wrong road theologically. It would be easier to accept the Bible and it's notion that a Judean must have a lineage Ezra 2:59-62. Even modern Jews, and Rabbis are confused on this subject. Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro believes that a Jew must be those who practice Judaism. While Biblical Judaism did accept converts as we see examples in Genesis 17:13, Exodus 12:48, Deuteronomy 29:10-13, Ruth 1:16. In Isaiah 56:3-8 we see those converts in John 12:20-22, Acts 8:27, and Acts 2:10.

Therefore the Bible held to a tribe having to keep genealogical lineage, not just converts. But, genealogy which could be recorded and the converts attached to those lineages. The Pentecostals and other dispensationalists get tangled up in the subject of what is a Jew? If the Modern Jew is confused, (and they practice being Jewish), then why would we believe the Dispensationalist Pentecostal to be any less confused. Yet, this confusion is dangerous not only theologically, but also politically.

Please listen carefully to this video.

Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro: Is Judaism a Nationality?

[Amanah]

There has been a Jewish community of sorts in the Levant for 3000 years. It's true that the bloodline is a mixture of Esau, Jacob, and the nations of the diaspora. The current problem is a result of heavy immigration into the area which cause displacement of the then current population.

Meta:
*Jewish Presence in Palestine/Judea*

- *Ancient roots*: Yes, there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Palestine/Judea for over 3,000 years, dating back to the time of the ancient Israelites ¹.

- *Historical periods*: This presence has spanned various historical periods, including the biblical period, the Second Temple period, the Roman and Byzantine periods, the Middle Ages, and the modern era ¹.

- *Evolution and changes*: Throughout these periods, the Jewish community in Palestine/Judea has undergone significant evolution and changes, including exile, return, and cultural and religious developments ¹.

*Key milestones:*

- *Ancient Israelites*: Emergence of the Israelites in the 2nd millennium BCE ¹.

- *United Kingdom of Israel*: Establishment of the United Kingdom of Israel in the 10th century BCE ¹.

- *Divided kingdoms*: Division into the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah in the 9th century BCE ¹.

- *Second Temple period*: Rebuilding of the Second Temple in Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE ¹.

- *Roman and Byzantine periods*: Presence of Jewish communities in Palestine during the Roman and Byzantine periods ¹.

- *Middle Ages*: Continued Jewish presence during the Middle Ages, including the Crusader and Mamluk periods ¹.

- *Modern era*: Immigration and settlement of Jews in Palestine during the modern era, including the Zionist movement and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 ¹.