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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Hi!

The Hebrew Matthew, seen and partially described by Jerome from the library at Caesarea Maritima, was a different text than canonical Matthew. And I said above that it is not extant. It likely did not have any internal translations.

Here I have some material on the topic.

Pure Bible Forum
Jerome and the Hebrew Matthew - (not canonical Matthew)
https://purebibleforum.com/index.php...l-matthew.543/

Hello, but the Hebrew Matthew isn't true. I gave you my reasons which you didn't deal with here, or over on your forum which you offer me in your post.
But I mentioned that the so called HEBREW Matthew originated by hear say, the first mention in Antiquity is from a quote from Papias of Hierapolis. Also Papias of Hierapolis was quoted mentioning a "sayings" of Jesus, which we don't have, but we do have a "story" of Jesus by Matthew. Also, one cannot build a case for a Hebrew Matthew based on the word of one ancient writer who is giving us the word of something he heard. SA, there was never a Hebrew Revelation or Matthew. Especially Revelation being that document was sent to Diaspora churches in Greek speaking territories. Also Nehemia Gordon never deals with the Greek linguistic issues of Matthew.

What if the Chinese call Jesus, Shàngdì does God know what's going on?
How about the word God? Ghuthan is where we get the word Gott, or God. It's old Anglo Saxon word for their deities. Same as the Chinese Shàngdì.
My whole issue with the "name game" is about the Judaizing agenda all the proponents have. I'm not saying you are Judaizing, but Nehemia Gordon, is a Judaizer, and most of his followers in Christianity and in the Karaite Judaism. Presenting the THEORY of Hebrew New Testament isn't new, and the Kabbalist Talmudic Rabbis have been pushing their agenda for years. If Michael Gibson calls Jesus Yah isn't my problem, my problem is the agenda behind the YAH. Michael Gibson is just a by product, having no agenda to Judaize. But, Nehemia Gordon is as anti-missionary as any other Rabbi worth their salt. While Gordon tries to refute this by saying he doesn't try to "convert" anyone, or that he is looking for the return of a Messiah, doesn't negate he isn't on the same team as Christ. Mordecai Alfandari was Gordon's mentor, and while Gordon tries to downplay the whole affiliation as far as anti-missionary goes, Gordon doesn't give a convincing argument. Pushing a narrative of Hebraism to dummies who won't look past their goosebumps for everything Rabbinical is anti-missionary. I have more respect for a Rabbi Tovia Singer than a Nehemia Gordon type who is just a wolf among the sheepfold. At least Rabbi Tovia Singer comes flat out and tells you he is trying to destroy Christianity and convert everyone to Talmudic Rabbinical Judaism. The whole name game isn't our job, our job is the Gospel and winning people to Christ. The Spirit of Truth will guide us to all truth. If Nehemia Gordon isn't preaching One God Jesus, baptism in Jesus name and infilling of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. Then he isn't building, he is wasting our precious time. Just another jack leg selling books, and making money off people who have less knowledge on a topic than he has. People have been calling Jesus, Jesus for 2,000 years, no English speaker needs to call Him any other name. I sure don't need some Rabbi lessons to learn how to pray.

[Monterrey]

So what are you trying to say?







Just kidding!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

So what are you trying to say?

Just kidding!

I'm trying.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by diakonos

But you believe the name of God is Yah?

The name of God? We speak English the name that we have used for several hundred years as Jesus. But we don't speak Spanish, or French, or any of the oriental languages which their word for God is much different from the way we say it.
It seems that religion has gotten so far away from the original that it is any wonder that if God did come back to earth he would not know what Christianity was all about. As it has become all about doctrines of man. Rules and laws, and not what Christ came to earth to set up at all.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yah who?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yah who?

Yah think?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Yah think?

[Michael The Disciple]

Psalms 68:4

New King James Version
Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Psalms 68:4

New King James Version
Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

Yah/Jah is wonderful, it is also in the pure Authorized Version.

Psalm 68:4 (KJV)
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him.

Jah is the poetic or short form of the name, and is a contraction from the beginning and end of Jehovah.

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In ten spots in the Psalms the AV translates Jah as a word suffix as the LORD.

Psalm 149:1 (AV)
Praise ye the LORD.
Sing unto the LORD a new song,
and his praise in the congregation of saints.

Praise ye the LORD in the Hebrew is Halleluyah.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Psalms 68:4

New King James Version
Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

You baptize in the name of Yah?

Go back to the Kingdom Hall.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Yah/Jah is wonderful, it is also in the pure Authorized Version.

Psalm 68:4 (KJV)
Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him.

Jah is the poetic or short form of the name, and is a contraction from the beginning and end of Jehovah.

========================

In ten spots in the Psalms the AV translates Jah as a word suffix as the LORD.

Psalm 149:1 (AV)
Praise ye the LORD.
Sing unto the LORD a new song,
and his praise in the congregation of saints.

Praise ye the LORD in the Hebrew is Halleluyah.

LORD/κύριος, is wonderful it is also in the pure Authorized Greek Version. It was authorized by a king as well, Ptolemy II Philadelphus.
300 years before the birth of Christ, the Diaspora as well as Jerusalem Judeans found no problem with calling God, κύριος. As for the whole Pentecostal Jehovah Witness theological name argument, it doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny. Christians have been baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ for over 2,000 years. That is the only name which should matter.

Psalm 68:4

ᾄσατε τῷ θεῷ ψάλατε τῷ ὀνόματι αὐτοῦ ὁδοποιήσατε τῷ ἐπιβεβηκότι ἐπὶ δυσμῶν κύριος ὄνομα αὐτῷ καὶ ἀγαλλιᾶσθε ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ ταραχθήσονται ἀπὸ προσώπου αὐτοῦ