Hair brings spiritual power message. 😳

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I've been trying to stay out of this debate, but I did have a thought last night, and I'm curious what others think of this. I don't personally believe anyone who preaches or teaches women having long hair endows a blessing upon them, is actually teaching the hair itself is the source of the blessing. I'm certainly open to being proven wrong, but I don't see that myself. Allow me to provide an analogy, that came to me during service last night, to clarify what I mean.

When we speak in tongues, do we place the emphasis on the physical tongue itself, or even in the speaking in other tongues? No, we see speaking in tongues simply as a physical representation of what's taking place in the spiritual. I do remember a trend a while back, from either grossly ignorant or self-deluded people, who were trying to teach others to speak in tongues (remember "seemybowtieseemetiemybowtie"?). However, the tongues does nothing without the spiritual component behind it.

One could argue the same is true of women and uncut hair. It's not that the hair itself is anything special, rather it serves as a physical representation of what's taking place in the spiritual. A women could have the longest hair in the world, but not have any blessing, because the spiritual aspect isn't present.

I believe someone else in the comments made a similar point, but I can't recall who and can't be bothered to go through 8 pages of comments to find it. I just wanted to post this thought I had, and see what you all think of it.

Well, we have half of an entire chapter of teaching devoted to the head covering written by an apostle, yet he never mentioned anything about answered prayer, spiritual power, spiritual authority to command angels, or practically anything else that is being debated when "holy magic hair" comes up as a topic.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

If you are writing about Seq J and his descent into trinity, he declared it on this very forum. No gossip used friend. Just read what he has written.

When you post something publicly don't blame others when they discuss it.

If something was discussed publicly, then why not keep the discussion about it public?

Why the need to make certain that confidences were not broken, that someone's privacy was maintained?

See: https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.co...4&postcount=47

[Evang.Benincasa]

I always thought seguidordejesus was a Trinitarian. I didn't know he was in ROCOR.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

So basically the same unscriptural message that has been taught by Lee Stoneking and others for years

Ding, Ding, Ding. We have a winner here. Same old heresy new speaker of it. Sounds like she is Ruth Rieder Harvey the next generation and yet another disciple of the Lee Stoneking school of theology.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

So me and Katherine are reading these posts aloud and talking through some experiences.


So me and my wifes relationship has had some HUGE issues in the past and over a great deal of time God has brought an amazing amount of healing and restoration. Yeah, unsubmission was a major problem and God really worked with me to become who I needed to be as a father and husband along with the work He has done in my wife.


As we were talking about the implications that Esaias is briging to light she made the connection that since our marriage was restored along with God *adjusting* some roles here and there...her hair which used to fall out on massive clumps has nearly completely stopped falling out and has became really healthy in a way it has never been.


*Saying all that to wonder if Paul speaking of being uncovered was a shame to her husband to let her be shorn...*so we are discussing that covering the hair is the visible outward sign of an inward submission to Gods authority...If shes NOT submitted, could some of the hair problems women have be connected to that?


Of course this is no blanket statement and the only reason Im mentioning this is just the conversation Im having with my wife and the observations that are pretty stark in comparison with the before and after condition of her hair when the inner changes happened.


Definitely not trying to spiritualize a coincidence...BUT....if it does have merit that there is a possibility that a woman unsubmitted to the divine authorty can have physical signs of that with her hair...could Paul be speaking something establishing a consequence in the way Peter exerted HIS God given authority to preach doctrine on the day of Pentecost for salvation but in Pauls case when he says,"Let her be shorn" is he saying, "Break out the scissors" or is it a pronouncement almost a curse?


Again....NOT trying to walk in witchcraft or anything like that but if you're going to present convincing arguments in context using scripture Im gonna consider possibilities that there are other ripple effects of our obedience or disobedience we must consider that are hidden by blind acceptance of traditions of men.


Ladies...just curious here...have you noticed anything like this happening in your own lives or the lives of others?


Men, what about what you have observed in your own relationships?


Have you noticed a change in hair health corresponding with submission or unsubmission? Or is it something that just applies if you practice covering during worship?


Question #2 If there is validity to the inquiry, what are some symptoms men would face due to their following or rejection of the order God has established as it relates to family? Is there a matching consequence that would balance health of hair on women as a spiritual submission barometer?


And yes...Im serious in my questions. If they seem crazy, childish or whatever then school me soundly so I might quickly learn the error or my wayward thinking and rejoin you on the narrow path of righteousness. 😅

If you want to talk about the health of a woman's hair as it relates to the uncut hair doctrine I think in many instances women with uncut hair experience it getting thinner and unhealthier over time. I come from several generations of old time Pentecost so have been around this all my life and still have relatives with uncut hair. In the case of my female relatives without exception the ones with uncut hair have very thin hair now after decades of never trimming their hair. Not scientific but my anecodtal experience. There may be facts to support that or debunk it. I have not taken the time right now to research it.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I've been trying to stay out of this debate, but I did have a thought last night, and I'm curious what others think of this. I don't personally believe anyone who preaches or teaches women having long hair endows a blessing upon them, is actually teaching the hair itself is the source of the blessing. I'm certainly open to being proven wrong, but I don't see that myself. Allow me to provide an analogy, that came to me during service last night, to clarify what I mean.

When we speak in tongues, do we place the emphasis on the physical tongue itself, or even in the speaking in other tongues? No, we see speaking in tongues simply as a physical representation of what's taking place in the spiritual. I do remember a trend a while back, from either grossly ignorant or self-deluded people, who were trying to teach others to speak in tongues (remember "seemybowtieseemetiemybowtie"?). However, the tongues does nothing without the spiritual component behind it.

One could argue the same is true of women and uncut hair. It's not that the hair itself is anything special, rather it serves as a physical representation of what's taking place in the spiritual. A women could have the longest hair in the world, but not have any blessing, because the spiritual aspect isn't present.

I believe someone else in the comments made a similar point, but I can't recall who and can't be bothered to go through 8 pages of comments to find it. I just wanted to post this thought I had, and see what you all think of it.

I hesitated to add this to the discussion, but...Years ago when this first made the rounds, I had a Pastor who attended a conference with LS as the main speaker. After returning home, he spoke of the hair teaching. In the process of the service, all the women were asked to take their hair down or to at least grab and hold their hair while we prayed(only the women were asked to pray). He made the statement that we would release supernatural powers by doing this. Once prayer was over, he made a statement and said, "men", do you notice the difference when the women " use" their hair"? Didn't believe in it then, don't believe in it now .

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I hesitated to add this to the discussion, but...Years ago when this first made the rounds, I had a Pastor who attended a conference with LS as the main speaker. After returning home, he spoke of the hair teaching. In the process of the service, all the women were asked to take their hair down or to at least grab and hold their hair while we prayed(only the women were asked to pray). He made the statement that we would release supernatural powers by doing this. Once prayer was over, he made a statement and said, "men", do you notice the difference when the women " use" their hair"? Didn't believe in it then, don't believe in it now .

I sorrow to read of such tragedy.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I always thought seguidordejesus was a Trinitarian. I didn't know he was in ROCOR.

A relatively recent development

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

A relatively recent development

May I ask why ROCOR? Do you find them more conservative than the Eastern Greek Church?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by CC1

If you want to talk about the health of a woman's hair as it relates to the uncut hair doctrine I think in many instances women with uncut hair experience it getting thinner and unhealthier over time. I come from several generations of old time Pentecost so have been around this all my life and still have relatives with uncut hair. In the case of my female relatives without exception the ones with uncut hair have very thin hair now after decades of never trimming their hair. Not scientific but my anecodtal experience. There may be facts to support that or debunk it. I have not taken the time right now to research it.

My wife has long uncut hair and it isn't thinning or balding. But she more than likely has a way better diet than your relatives.