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[Esaias]

Some of you people don't have a Bible religion. Your belief system would never inspire you to say stuff like this:

Hebrews 11:30-34 KJV
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. [31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. [32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: [33] Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, [34] Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Y'all like the other verses, for sure, but your faith system would never inspire you to also hold up warriors who killed heathens and foreigners (in the name of Jehovah no less!) as examples of the faith without which God cannot be pleased.

You have a partially Biblical religion, a "let's just pick the parts we like and explain away or flat ignore the parts we don't like" religion. A religion that just so happens to be loved by tyrants and antichrists everywhere. A "too heavenly minded to be any earthly good" religion. The kind that explains why churchianity is dying out and becoming no more than social entertainment for women and children.

Just like in Spain back in the early 1900s up to the 30s. Go and learn what the result was.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Some of you people don't have a Bible religion. Your belief system would never inspire you to say stuff like this:

Hebrews 11:30-34 KJV
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. [31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. [32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: [33] Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, [34] Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Y'all like the other verses, for sure, but your faith system would never inspire you to also hold up warriors who killed heathens and foreigners (in the name of Jehovah no less!) as examples of the faith without which God cannot be pleased.

You have a partially Biblical religion, a "let's just pick the parts we like and explain away or flat ignore the parts we don't like" religion. A religion that just so happens to be loved by tyrants and antichrists everywhere. A "too heavenly minded to be any earthly good" religion. The kind that explains why churchianity is dying out and becoming no more than social entertainment for women and children.

Just like in Spain back in the early 1900s up to the 30s. Go and learn what the result was.

First, the whole- “too heavenly minded to be any earthly good”, I’m sorry brother you cannot be any earthly good in the which were talking if your not heavenly minded. Thats a damaging phrase that will sear the conscience of believers that desire to be spiritual yet have the fear that they’re “too” spiritual. I believe we’re not spiritual enough.

I absolutely agree with the scriptures you put up. Yet, Paul was reaching back in the old covenant as describing their faith.

2 Kings 1:12
[12] And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Compared to;

Luke 9:54-55
[54] And when his disciples James and John saw this , they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
[55] But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What manner of spirit ye are of? Hmmm, if they were not of Gods spirit, then what spirit were they of. And the troubling fact is, they didn’t realize it.

God commanded the Old Covenant believers to do certain things such as, killing men, women, and children. They subdued kingdoms with the sword, Samuel chopped the king in pieces, David cut the head off Goliath, but is that the way we do things now?

As New Covenant believers were under a different set of rules then they were. Our fight is not with sword and spear, yet, we fight through prayer and fasting, we fight in the spirit. Why-

2 Corinthians 10:4
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

If your weapons are guns, knifes, and swords then your fighting a carnal fight.

2 Timothy 2:4
[4] No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Weeping is coming to this country, make sure your spirit filled, otherwise carnality will consume you.

[Esaias]

When the subject of armed militaristic activity comes up, you guys ALWAYS resort to a very specific, one sided pacifist view. When you talk about faith you guys NEVER point to the SPIRIT ANOINTED PROPHETS AND JUDGES who WAGED WAR against heathen invaders and idolaters and such as EXAMPLES of TRUE BIBLICAL FAITH.

Therefore your mind set does not match that of the Bible sriters.

Just like the Baptist will NEVER feel led to blurt put "baptism doth also now save us" nor do they ever ask anyone "Why are you waiting? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." When asked "What should I do in response to the evangelistic message?" they NEVER feel led to say "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you too shall receive the gift of the Spirit."

If those verses are pointed out to them, they hem and haw and say "Oh yes of course BUT..." and proceed to "explain" why they don't mean what they plainly say or shy they mysteriously don't apply to you and me. And when pressed the Baptist and all such heretics resort to the "You just aren't hearing from God good enough."

So I conclude you guys are just as unbiblical as the Baptist, and for the same reason. Out of the heart the mouth speaks, what you believe is expressed by your words. When people don't talk like the Bible on Bible subjects, it's because they don't THINK like the Bible. They got some other religion.

Jesus COMMANDED His disciples to be armed. You and your crew would not only NEVER do such a thing, you teach AGAINST it. In your version of reality, anyone who is armed is unspiritual, relying on the flesh, not in tune with and therefore outside of the will of God. But your version of reality is not the version presented by Jesus. nd sorry to disappoint but Jesus is a weightier authority. Think I'll go with Him.

You say as Christians we're under a different set of rules? Funny, the BIBLE says the new covenant involves the writing of God's laws into the hearts and minds of His people. Not "a new batch of rules" but God's rules.

Your version of Christianity says a woman who speaks publicly about getting help from a psychiatric therapist will infect Holy Ghost men of God with demons of digestive problems, so "touch not the unclean thing", yet it's perfectly acceptable for Christians to engage in the rituals of demon worship and idolatry as long as they say it's for Jesus. Talk about confusion!

Sorry, your version of things simply does not line up with the Bible.

As for "the weapons of our warfare" you have been corrected on that several times already yet you persist in not understanding what Paul is talking about. So I'll not explain it again.

Ask yourself this: why is Deut 22:5 still valid but the Ten Commandments aren't in your religion?

[MawMaw]

Just saw a video from Pastor Spell that the US 5th Circuit Appeals Court, ruled in the Church's favor! This is wonderful! A victory for ALL churches!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Some of you people don't have a Bible religion. Your belief system would never inspire you to say stuff like this:

Hebrews 11:30-34 KJV
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. [31] By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. [32] And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: [33] Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, [34] Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Y'all like the other verses, for sure, but your faith system would never inspire you to also hold up warriors who killed heathens and foreigners (in the name of Jehovah no less!) as examples of the faith without which God cannot be pleased.

You have a partially Biblical religion, a "let's just pick the parts we like and explain away or flat ignore the parts we don't like" religion. A religion that just so happens to be loved by tyrants and antichrists everywhere. A "too heavenly minded to be any earthly good" religion. The kind that explains why churchianity is dying out and becoming no more than social entertainment for women and children.

Just like in Spain back in the early 1900s up to the 30s. Go and learn what the result was.

This is gonna be blunt, but have you killed anyone in the name of God recently? If not, then based on what you wrote, you too are choosing what part of the Bible to obey

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

This is gonna be blunt, but have you killed anyone in the name of God recently? If not, then based on what you wrote, you too are choosing what part of the Bible to obey

Has God ordered him to kill in His name? No? Then that's a stupid argument.

[Nicodemus1968]

Jesus Christ came and said Love your enemies! Jesus also said take a sword, now what you do with that sword is all up to you. If you believe when the time comes you can take another persons life in the name of your religion then you and Muslims have at it.

After the life of Jesus, where is the sword of Paul being used, were is the sword of Peter killing in self defense? Even as the Roman armies came, God sent his people to another city to avoid the fighting.

Jesus said he could call on angels from heaven, he even said if my kingdom where of this world my servants would fight like some on this forum is talking about. Yet, we at least I haven’t been commanded to fight against man for this country. Sorry! The kingdom I’m part of is not of this world.

The crew on this forum would rather take matters into their own hands and call on the name of Smith & Wesson or on the mighty name of AR-15 to be there defender. Why are they so afraid of calling on the name of Jesus?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

This is gonna be blunt, but have you killed anyone in the name of God recently? If not, then based on what you wrote, you too are choosing what part of the Bible to obey

This is between Old Covenant Zealots and New Covenant Followers.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

This is between Old Covenant Zealots and New Covenant Followers.

The "new covenant" is built on the foundations of the "old covenant". Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it. When the Bible says that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill", there's a grave misunderstanding of the word 'kill'. It means not to commit murder, it doesn't mean that killing itself is verboten. Killing in self defense is permitted, killing to protect others is permitted, killing in defense of your country is permitted and killing in the name of justice is permitted. Killing is not prohibited, committing murder is.

Now, before you go accusing me of being bloodthirsty, I don't want to kill anyone. No one sane wants to take another life - and I pray every day that I don't have to - but those of us who carry, acknowledge that it's sometimes necessary.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Has God ordered him to kill in His name? No? Then that's a stupid argument.

Actually based on Esaias doctrine (and previous discussions on this forum), Christians are supposed to be putting some unbelievers to death. Specifically, he mentioned witches, homosexuals among others who should be executed.
So yes, per his teaching, God has ordered him to be doing that…so you are the one arguing stupidly��