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03-01-2020, 02:13 AM
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Re: Death penalty
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On face value I’m not for it. I guess my view can change on that one day.
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Jury nullification is established through the constitution as a safeguard for jurors of our peers to nullify unjust laws. Why are you against that?
Isnt that what salavation does for us? The law demands death but that death is nullified by the work of Christ?
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03-01-2020, 02:38 AM
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Re: Death penalty
Jesus never openly condemned slavery, either. But that is hardly an endorsement for it.
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03-01-2020, 07:58 AM
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Re: Death penalty
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Jesus never openly condemned slavery, either. But that is hardly an endorsement for it.
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Paul told a slave to go back to his master, Philemon 1:12.
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03-01-2020, 08:00 AM
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Re: Death penalty
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"Neither do I comdemn thee...go and sin no more." Dude He literally interrupted an execution...
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Yes, Jesus certainly did.
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03-01-2020, 08:18 AM
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Re: Death penalty
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Jury nullification is established through the constitution as a safeguard for jurors of our peers to nullify unjust laws. Why are you against that?
Isnt that what salavation does for us? The law demands death but that death is nullified by the work of Christ?
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You see, this is why Jesus' mercy endureth forever. The LAW demanded death, but Jesus gives us life. Death penalty isn't foolproof, and definitely not perfect.They have injected, gassed, and electrocuted a lot of innocent people. Same thing with war. It isn't like our plastic green army men all in a row. In that plastic bag filled with those green soldiers there were never plastic CIVILIANS. Screaming women clutching babies, toddlers grabbing onto their mother's skirt. The elderly hobbling over as they try to escaping whizzing bullets. While I Yankee Doodle Dandy my way through life whistling Toby Keith - Made In America! I don't see, or even am I aware of, the different facets of my wanting to spread Democracy at the end of a bayonet.
Same goes for a 19 year old teenager who while raised in church didn't have a clue about the so called friends they had made. Who led them straight into the mouth of the beast. When all was said in done, they are now sitting on death row. The teenager didn't pull the trigger, didn't even know why they were heading to the certain place, all they know is now through a broken court system, they are facing execution. A frightened teenager who never had to face an interrogation made statements without lawyering up. Now faces the death penalty. Don't get me wrong, there are people who deserve judgement, but what about all those who didn't. Who were hanged, beheaded, faced a firing squad, poisoned, gassed, or electrocuted? I wouldn't want THEIR blood on my hands.
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Re: Death penalty
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You see, this is why Jesus' mercy endureth forever. The LAW demanded death, but Jesus gives us life. Death penalty isn't foolproof, and definitely not perfect.They have injected, gassed, and electrocuted a lot of innocent people. Same thing with war. It isn't like our plastic green army men all in a row. In that plastic bag filled with those green soldiers there were never plastic CIVILIANS. Screaming women clutching babies, toddlers grabbing onto their mother's skirt. The elderly hobbling over as they try to escaping whizzing bullets. While I Yankee Doodle Dandy my way through life whistling Toby Keith - Made In America! I don't see, or even am I aware of, the different facets of my wanting to spread Democracy at the end of a bayonet.
Same goes for a 19 year old teenager who while raised in church didn't have a clue about the so called friends they had made. Who led them straight into the mouth of the beast. When all was said in done, they are now sitting on death row. The teenager didn't pull the trigger, didn't even know why they were heading to the certain place, all they know is now through a broken court system, they are facing execution. A frightened teenager who never had to face an interrogation made statements without lawyering up. Now faces the death penalty. Don't get me wrong, there are people who deserve judgement, but what about all those who didn't. Who were hanged, beheaded, faced a firing squad, poisoned, gassed, or electrocuted? I wouldn't want THEIR blood on my hands.
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03-01-2020, 09:24 AM
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Re: Death penalty
Under the law, an eye for and eye and life for a life still had to be witnessed by two or three witness before it was supposed to be put into effect. While the death penalty sounds good, it takes a lot to prove one did the crime.
How many innocent people died at the hands of lynch mobs, because someone said they did something they did not do.
I heard a judge just last week say that in America the founding fathers put together our judicial system the way they did because, they felt it was better that a person that was guilty go free, than one person that was not guilty should be sentenced. And they were not even considering the death penalty at the time.
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03-01-2020, 09:26 AM
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Re: Death penalty
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Under the law, an eye for and eye and life for a life still had to be witnessed by two or three witness before it was supposed to be put into effect. While the death penalty sounds good, it takes a lot to prove one did the crime.
How many innocent people died at the hands of lynch mobs, because someone said they did something they did not do.
I heard a judge just last week say that in America the founding fathers put together our judicial system the way they did because, they felt it was better that a person that was guilty go free, than one person that was not guilty should be sentenced. And they were not even considering the death penalty at the time.
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03-01-2020, 09:28 AM
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Re: Death penalty
Sadly our law system and prison system is totally broken down. Our judges are politicians so they are politicking behind the bench. In this country, the more money you have, the more you are able to go free.
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