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10-17-2018, 02:29 PM
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Mystery Bablyon
Is the women in the basket, called wickedness in Zech 5, Mystery Babylon?
Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
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10-17-2018, 05:53 PM
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Re: Mystery Bablyon
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
11. To build … house in … Shinar—Babylonia (Ge 10:10), the capital of the God-opposed world kingdoms, and so representing in general the seat of irreligion. As the "building of houses" in Babylon ( Jer 29:5, 28) by the Jews themselves expressed their long exile there, so the building of an house for "wickedness" there implies its permanent stay.
set … upon her own base—fixed there as in its proper place. "Wickedness" being cast out of Judah, shall for ever dwell with the antichristian apostates (of whom Babylon is the type), who shall reap the fruit of it, which they deserve.
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10-17-2018, 06:34 PM
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Re: Mystery Bablyon
I was reading a couple other commentaries, especially Keil and Delizsch's. I am not convinced any of them have it right, but certain things do stand out as plausible:
1. The vision of the woman in the ephah is inseperably connected to the vision of the flying roll in the first part of ch 5.
2. That vision illustrates a Divine curse against the sinners of Judah, individually, which results in their destruction and/or removal from the congregation of Jehovah.
3. The woman represents "Wickedness" which is placed in an ephah, or measuring basket. This suggests a representation of the cursed Judahites considered as a unitary whole, measured by God
4. The woman is sealed up and prevented from escaping the ephah-basket, and then transported to Shinar, where a house or temple is to be built for her. This suggests that the wicked Judahites, cut off from the congregation of the Lord, will find a home in Nimrod's old stomping grounds, and their wickedness will be worshipped there.
I can't say for sure at this point, but it looks like it is saying the wickedness of Judah will be confined by Divine Providence and find itself the core of a New Nimrodian Empire. I do not think the prophecy is explicitly geographical, but representational. Shinar is thus s reference not so much to southeast Iraq, but is a rather a reference to "the land of Shinar", where Babel was built and where Nimrod reigned. IE the first antichristian religiously based empire, the cradle of post-Flood paganism and Baal-worship, the origin of Empire. So that the Judean wickedness (apostasy and idolatry and greed and financial corruption) is to become the "god" of the world antichristian empire, it is to be the basis or core ideology, character, and religion of the "kosmos" or world order.
I think it has a lot to do with Dan 2 and the iron and clay mixing together, actually. As well as "Mystery: Babylon" of the Apocalypse, which is clearly a judaised (Judaic?) antichristian world order that opposes and persecutes the true church and which deceives and seduces the governments of the earth, and thereby inebriates the inhabitants (populaces) and makes them mad (crazy).
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10-18-2018, 01:33 AM
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Re: Mystery Bablyon
yes, the scroll and the imagery of the horses of the apocalypse, plus the house based in Babylon somehow tie together.
Gill saw it as mystery Babylon also
Verse 11
And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar,.... That is, in the province of Babylon, as the Targum paraphrases it; for Babel, or Babylon, was in the land of Shinar, Genesis 10:10 whither the Jews were carried captive, Daniel 1:2 Isaiah 11:11, and the bearing of the "ephah" thither may denote the cause of their captivity, the measure of sins filled up by them: though this some understand of the like injuries, oppressions, and vexations, brought upon the Chaldeans in the land of Shinar, which they before exercised towards and upon the Jews; and others of the rejection of wicked men from among the Jews, by Ezra and Nehemiah, transporting them as it were back to Babylon again: others of the dispersion of the Jews by the Romans, who chiefly settled after that in the eastern parts of the world; though indeed the whole world was a land of Shinar, or "shaking out"F14 unto them; they being shook out of their own land, and scattered about everywhere; which dispersion has been long and lasting, notorious and conspicuous; and they are now settled upon their own base, established upon their former principles of legality and self-righteousness, and rejection of the true Messiah; or rather this may be understood of the transfer of the ephah, or whole measure of iniquity, into mystical Babylon. The antichristian church of Rome is called Babylon; she is represented as a sink of sin, a mystery of iniquity, Revelation 17:5 and a house being built for this man of sin, antichrist, denotes the continuance of him; and being established on its own base, shows the false foundation on which the church of Rome is built, and her carnal security. So Cocceius, by the "two women", understands the two kingdoms or powers of antichrist, the civil and ecclesiastical powers; which support the man of sin, lift him up, and give him the highest place in the church, and fix his seat where idolatry and persecution reign, as formerly did in Babylon, in the land of Shinar. Though the whole may very well be applied to the last and everlasting punishment of sin and sinners, when the whole measure is filled up. The end of sin and sinners is death and everlasting destruction. The ephah, and the woman in it, are carried, not upwards to heaven, nor to the New Jerusalem, but to the land of Shinar, the land of shaking; to hell, where are utter darkness, weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth; where a house is built for them, which denotes their continuance there; and which, being established on its own base, shows their punishment shall forever remain; their worm never dies; their fire is not quenched; the smoke of it ascends for ever and ever; their destruction is an everlasting destruction.
https://www.studylight.org/commentar...ariah-5.html11
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