BY THIS STANDARD-Greg L. Bahnsen

[berkeley]

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I and my family live theonomically to the best of our ability. Unlike the leftist socialists like yourself, we do not demand that other people pay our way through life and shield us from reality.

But once again, your entire message here on this forum can be summed in one short statement: Jesus may get you to heaven, but Uncle Sam will take care of everything else here and now. You consistently demand everyone put their trust in government programs, cannabis oil, psychoheresy, and anything and everything BUT Jesus Christ. You like to throw out the scare tactic of "Sure you can trust in God, but what if it doesn't work? What about those whom God lets down?" You seem bent on poisoning everyone's faith in God.

Hey, we get it. You absolutely do NOT want society to obey God, live for God, follow God, or follow the Bible. Cool. Others do. Including Jesus. So enjoy your life while you can. I've got literally three times as many children as you have, and the adult ones are Bible believing, antivaccine, homeschooled, theonomic apostolic believers currently positioning themselves to get married and build large, Bible believing, theonomic, homeschooling, antivax apostolic families.

So in twenty years you and your personal opinions will be utterly and totally irrelevant.

If we just let the most left leaning person in the world continue to talk they will eventually talk everyone to the right.

Dont like theocracy in any condition other than the millennial, but I like socialist SJW types even less.
We have been down this road, and nobody is talking me out of my minimalist/voulenteerist/libertarian position.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I and my family live theonomically to the best of our ability. Unlike the leftist socialists like yourself, we do not demand that other people pay our way through life and shield us from reality.

But once again, your entire message here on this forum can be summed in one short statement: Jesus may get you to heaven, but Uncle Sam will take care of everything else here and now. You consistently demand everyone put their trust in government programs, cannabis oil, psychoheresy, and anything and everything BUT Jesus Christ. You like to throw out the scare tactic of "Sure you can trust in God, but what if it doesn't work? What about those whom God lets down?" You seem bent on poisoning everyone's faith in God.

Hey, we get it. You absolutely do NOT want society to obey God, live for God, follow God, or follow the Bible. Cool. Others do. Including Jesus. So enjoy your life while you can. I've got literally three times as many children as you have, and the adult ones are Bible believing, antivaccine, homeschooled, theonomic apostolic believers currently positioning themselves to get married and build large, Bible believing, theonomic, homeschooling, antivax apostolic families.

So in twenty years you and your personal opinions will be utterly and totally irrelevant.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. I've used theoreticals. But this topic isn't a theoretical. Roughly 8 million children are estimated to have benefited from SCHIP.

Hence you are the king of theoreticals. I rest my case

Originally Posted by Aquila

No.

Amen, because my family have not been to hospitals, or doctors. Home births, with midwives, nursed, and fed healthy diets. I know families whose children are healthy then you, and from your photos, you aren't looking all that healthy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

No. But it's a gamble.

Really? You have zero personal experiences, and what you know is from statistics. From the looks of you, you don't work hard (laboring), play hard, or exercise hard. Your diet might be all grains, bread, soda, fast food, and who knows what else. Children are doomed to eat the garbage diets of their parents. Even while in the womb, the mother eats God knows what.

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a child never sees a doctor, many conditions will go undiagnosed and of course the child can have unnecessary suffering or die.

If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bump his hind end every time he hopped.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I imagine so, in other countries. However, child morbidity rates are rather high I such countries compared to the Western world.

Lower than third world? Unicef Starvation Bloated Bellies?

Bro, this country (also this world) was made up of homeschool, homebirth, home raised foods, and home family apprenticeship for vocational training.

We have hospitals that are the size of small towns, and instead of insurance people need to get up and move around. Stop eating garbage, and eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, home cooked meals, not out of a can.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe any government built on the concept of, "Love thy neighbor", is as biblical as can be.

So, love thy neighbor as thyself...

Thy poor neighbor.
Thy black neighbor.
Thy white neighbor.
Thy Muslim neighbor.
Thy gay neighbor.
Thy immigrant neighbor.
Thy Jewish neighbor.
Thy Christian neighbor.
Thy atheist neighbor.
Thy disabled neighbor.
Thy sick neighbor.
Thy liberal neighbor.
Thy conservative neighbor.
Thy illegal neighbor.
Thy veteran neighbor.
Thy elderly neighbor.

This means to elevate others to being just as important, valuable, and precious in God's sight as you are.

What's so hard to grasp about aspiring to a civil society of Christian love, compassion, and respect in 2018?

Do people avoid you in real life?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do all children have running water?
Do all children go to get water from the tap?
Do all children need running water?
Do some never see running water or drink a glass from the tap into their old age?

Well, we've affirmed that running water isn't necessary.

We can say the same thing about church buildings, pastor salaries, and air conditioning.

The point is this... and it is pretty simple... living in a wealthy Western nation, there is no reason why any child within our boarders should not be able to receive the treatments they need simply because their parents can't afford health insurance. That isn't "socialism". It's simply common sense.

Do all children get subjected to liberal nutjobs as parents.

No, but there are children who will never see a doctor, and will grow up health in body and mind. Grow to a ripe old age, with the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

If we just let the most left leaning person in the world continue to talk they will eventually talk everyone to the right.

Dont like theocracy in any condition other than the millennial, but I like socialist SJW types even less.
We have been down this road, and nobody is talking me out of my minimalist/voulenteerist/libertarian position.

Recently I have been looking more deeply into the entire "social compact theory". And I have concluded it is pure humanistic hogwash. What's interesting is it seems to be the basis for BOTH socialism and "libertarianism".

Rather than adhering to some "ism", perhaps you would consider looking into the Biblical concept of "the Kingdom" and what that really entails, and how it applies to social structures. Unless you believe that "minimalist/volunteerist/libertarianism" is what the Bible teaches is the Divinely ordained and preferred form of society that Christians are to seek?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Recently I have been looking more deeply into the entire "social compact theory". And I have concluded it is pure humanistic hogwash. What's interesting is it seems to be the basis for BOTH socialism and "libertarianism".

Rather than adhering to some "ism", perhaps you would consider looking into the Biblical concept of "the Kingdom" and what that really entails, and how it applies to social structures. Unless you believe that "minimalist/volunteerist/libertarianism" is what the Bible teaches is the Divinely ordained and preferred form of society that Christians are to seek?

Our society not only accommodates sin, but promotes it, glorifies and protects it, therefore people can't stomach the idea of penalizing it.

True liberty would be to live in a society where murder, rape, sodomy, kidnapping, child trafficking were very rare.

The priests who rape children while being protected at the highest level decade after decade would be deterred by wanting to avoid capital punishment.

There would be no young children coming out as gay and killing themselves because they would not be brain washed by a society promoting sin.

if we keep going to the way we are going Christianity is going to be outlawed because the bible will be labeled *hate speech*

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do people avoid you in real life?

Actually, no. lol I get alone with almost anyone.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do all children get subjected to liberal nutjobs as parents.

No, but there are children who will never see a doctor, and will grow up health in body and mind. Grow to a ripe old age, with the Lord Jesus Christ.

True... aaaaand… there are those who will come down with diseases like the measles or worse, or die from undetected conditions.

I have question. I've answered many questions of a personal nature rather openly. It's gotten me into trouble a few times, but hey, it is what it is.

Did your wife have your children in a hospital?