Holiness dress standards-salvation or consecration

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, that was exhausting. LOL!

He’s on AFF. So he’s not walking in holiness. I like how he lumped hollywood, whatever that means, with AFF.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by berkeley

You may be right

I probably am.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by berkeley

He’s on AFF. So he’s not walking in holiness. I like how he lumped hollywood, whatever that means, with AFF.

All of the “what ifs” are exhausting. We need to work out our own salvation and not worry about what others are doing.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Holiness standards in and of themselves have no saving power. I know many who hold the same standards as the strongest Apostolic churches, yet have never been born again. Their standards will not save them. Standards of modesty and gender distinction are biblical commandments of God, therefore they are to do with consecration and necessary for the consecrated believer. Heaven is for people who have been converted and consecrated themselves to God. It is impossible to be consecrated while living in willful rebellion. Therefore, I do believe that standards of holiness are salvific in that they are necessary in order to live a life of holiness, and holiness and sanctification are essential aspects of salvation. I do not believe they are salvific in and of themselves, however.

This is excellent!

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Now I know many on this forum do not like the correlation between holiness and modest dress, and I see their point. However, it's a concept we are all familiar with; whether we agree with it or not.

My thought that I wanted to pose to the forum: do you see modest holy dress standards as salvational or having to do with consecration towards God?

I look forward to your responses.

Modest dress is not salvational at all.

Otherwise the Muslim women or Catholic nuns would be getting an automatic pass to heaven, since they dress more modestly than any Apostolic woman.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If one dresses immodestly they should expect to go to Hell.

To a muslim person all christian women are dressed immodestly.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

To a muslim person all christian women are dressed immodestly.

Obviously it isnt a fulfillment of salvation, but many teach it as a requirement to salvation. I know you know that.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Modest dress is not salvational at all.

Otherwise the Muslim women or Catholic nuns would be getting an automatic pass to heaven, since they dress more modestly than any Apostolic woman.

Not following that logic.

[Amanah]

We are to abide in Christ and have his word abide in us so we can bear the fruit of the Spirit or we will be cut off. We are to abide in the word of God and obey it. That includes modesty and gender distinction. We agree on modesty and gender distinction, but debate what exactly that entails. The bible also teaches us to follow the leadership and guidance that God has placed in our lives. We are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, yes, that means we need to make sure we get it right.

John 15
15..I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2..Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3..Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4..Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5..I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6..If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7..If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

2 Timothy 3:16
16..All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews 13:17
17..Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you

1 Peter 3:1-4 Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.

1 Timothy 2:9-10 9I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

[UnTraditional]

Too many people look at so-called "holiness standards" as what makes us holy. That is impossible, and a fallacy that degrades the Cross and Christ's finished work. You can never become holy, for holiness is an attribute of God. When we are born again, because of our faith in Christ, we are made holy. We are called to be holy, to be what we have been made in Christ.

For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time. (NLT) Hebrews 10:10

When people teach that holiness is our clothes, our lack of makeup, our cut or uncut hair, it gives man the power of God to make himself like God. NOT POSSIBLE! We are made holy by Christ and then called to be what we have been made.

One other point, beloved. Going to the Old Covenant to establish holiness standards is contrary to the teachings of the New Covenant. Going back to a version of law keeping to maintain salvation neglects Christ's finished work of His fulfillment of the Law. Now, we need not keep the letter of the Law, for He has written His law on our hearts, making us holy. The Law took us to Christ. We are now in Christ, and while the Law brought condemnation, Christ brings and keep salvation.