Is this too much compromise? - Page 8

navygoat1998 · #71 07-11-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am not saying anything else about him. I am totally sick of it. The people - everyone - that does talk about him behind his back cannot hold a candle to his love and compassion. Cannot come close.

I think he has been piled on here before.

Sad! We do that to each other in all of Pentecost.

He preaches the oneness new birth message, but that is not enough for some.

Nothing like killing and eating your own.

While we were still in the Apostolic world, our men's group fellowshiped with a PAW church. I had the pastor come over with some oh his brethren for an all night prayer night and he gave a word, a good word, but in that word he talked about watching TV, so needless to say we never fellowshiped with that brother again.......those Apostolic's were not holy enough. At least according to my pastor.

mizpeh · #72 07-11-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I was internet searching, and found this on a website of a former UPC minister (I don't think he's still part of that organization anyway..) I won't say any names, but he use to speak regularly at BOTT. But I was reading on his website in the tab that said "about us", and was shocked to find this in the section that said "What we Believe". Here it is:

"The Holy Bible
The Holy Bible, and only the Bible, is the Word of God. It is the final authority in determining all doctrinal truths. In its original writing, it is inspired, infallible, and inerrant.

Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ was 100% God and 100% man. He was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, performed miracles, died on the cross for mankind and thus, atoned for our sins through the shedding of His blood. He rose from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures, ascended to the right hand of the Father, and will return again in power and glory.

Salvation
We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ: His death, burial, and resurrection. Salvation is a gift from God, not a result of our good works or of any human efforts.

The Holy Spirit
Given at Pentecost, it is the promise of the Father, sent by Jesus after His Ascension, to empower the Church to preach the Gospel throughout the whole earth. The Holy Spirit is manifested through a variety of spiritual gifts to build and sanctify the church, demonstrate the validity of the resurrection, and confirm the power of the Gospel.

The Church
The church is the Body of Christ, the habitation of God through the Spirit, with divine appointments for the fulfillment of Jesus' Great Commission. The church is made up of many members, diverse in their gifts and calling of the Holy Spirit.

The Second Coming
Jesus Christ will physically and visibly return to earth for the second time to establish His Kingdom. This will occur at a date undisclosed by the Scriptures."

What seperates this from a non denominational church, besides that he didn't also include the Creed's, or the sinners prayer? Do y'all see this as serious compromise? Because I do, I want to get everyone's opinion on this.

Everything is true and scriptural but not complete, imo.

aegsm76 · #73 07-11-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Regardless of who the Pastor of the church with this SOF may be...

Starts out well enough. I don't disagree with anything so far.

This is another example of what I referenced HERE.

MtD says "tens of thousands" would come in if we just stopped the beard prohibition and removed dress standards. Yet in every single case I've seen, it doesn't stop there. Next, they water down salvation, remove the new birth and replace it with the generic "saved but grace through faith," or as another ex UPC church has in its SOF, "there is no salvation apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord."

The HG becomes just some "spiritual gift" to "empower" the believer, rather than a necessary part of the new birth.

I've yet to find a church which dropped standards and has kept a strong new birth belief.

Bingo.
For some reason these are linked together.

Michael The Disciple · #74 07-11-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He believes that there is so much depth past Acts 2:38 and that it does a person a great disservice to quote it all the time and never move on in Christ. That is a huge deal to him.

Amen Acts 2:38 is just the doorway into Christ.

1ofthechosen · #75 07-11-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Amen Acts 2:38 is just the doorway into Christ.

If someone never has been born of water and the Spirit, and especially a big amount of people in the church, there's no purpose of going forward. If you are solid on the New Birth message, then you can build off that. But, building on no foundation will cause whatever is taught, to be swept right away. There's no purpose of putting the cart before the horse.

If this is evangelisic church, then Acts 2:38 should not be a after thought, it's of utmost importance. Unless, you believe that it's not essential, and people can find another way.

n david · #76 07-11-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

If someone never has been born of water and the Spirit, and especially a big amount of people in the church, there's no purpose of going forward. If you are solid on the New Birth message, then you can build off that. But, building on no foundation will cause whatever is taught, to be swept right away. There's no purpose of putting the cart before the horse.

If this is evangelisic church, then Acts 2:38 should not be a after thought, it's of utmost importance. Unless, you believe that it's not essential, and people can find another way.

1ofthechosen · #77 07-11-2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I think he has been piled on here before.

Sad! We do that to each other in all of Pentecost.

He preaches the oneness new birth message, but that is not enough for some.

Nothing like killing and eating your own.

While we were still in the Apostolic world, our men's group fellowshiped with a PAW church. I had the pastor come over with some oh his brethren for an all night prayer night and he gave a word, a good word, but in that word he talked about watching TV, so needless to say we never fellowshiped with that brother again.......those Apostolic's were not holy enough. At least according to my pastor.

Please bro don't distract from what this conversation is truthfully about, it wasn't meant to tear down a person. The person crying foul, is the one who carried it that direction. Please don't cause the focus to go back where it was never intended. Thanks bro and God bless!

Pressing-On · #78 07-11-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

The Holy Spirit
Given at Pentecost, it is the promise of the Father, sent by Jesus after His Ascension, to empower the Church to preach the Gospel throughout the whole earth. The Holy Spirit is manifested through a variety of spiritual gifts to build and sanctify the church, demonstrate the validity of the resurrection, and confirm the power of the Gospel.

The Church
The church is the Body of Christ, the habitation of God through the Spirit,with divine appointments for the fulfillment of Jesus' Great Commission. The church is made up of many members, diverse in their gifts and calling of the Holy Spirit.

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

If someone never has been born of water and the Spirit, and especially a big amount of people in the church, there's no purpose of going forward. If you are solid on the New Birth message, then you can build off that. But, building on no foundation will cause whatever is taught, to be swept right away. There's no purpose of putting the cart before the horse.

If this is evangelisic church, then Acts 2:38 should not be a after thought, it's of utmost importance. Unless, you believe that it's not essential, and people can find another way.

How is the underlined above ignoring Acts?

We have had numerous arguments on this Board, FCF and NFCF that Acts 2:38 was never spoken about in the Epistles - yet - it is there - just like the statement in RJ's portion above in bold regarding the Holy Ghost and the Church.

Pressing-On · #79 07-11-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I read it on his own website, he mightve well said it. It represents him and the church he Pastors.

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Please bro don't distract from what this conversation is truthfully about, it wasn't meant to tear down a person. The person crying foul, is the one who carried it that direction. Please don't cause the focus to go back where it was never intended. Thanks bro and God bless!

Okay...

Raven · #80 07-11-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, stop being petty and talking about him here. I can't stand it when people do that. Call him or go over there if you don't like his website. Be a man about it and not a gossip,

I'm with you PO! The poisonous undercurrent was evident from the first post!

Also the continuous misuse of "I seen" is very irritating! Please, someone. Help all who may be guilty.